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The Times & Judy Miller – Unanswered Questions | 38 comments (38 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: The Times & Judy Miller (4.00 / 6)

What this story makes very clear is that Judy Miller will not be welcome at the New York Times. Since getting fired would not enhance the amount of her book contract as getting jailed did, she will simply not return after her leave.

After all the Times did and said, this is fairly dramatic. There may be more heads to roll before it's over.

As for what these stories say about the investigation, I'd agree with those who suggest both Libby and Miller are hurt, with Libby now more on the hook for possible obstruction than revealing the Plame name. However, Fitzgerald's questions doubtlessly tie in with what he's learned from other testimony and evidence, so he may have gotten what he needed to establish a pattern of illegal activity in the campaign to discredit Joseph Wilson.

Finally, the item that first jumped out at me is now the lead in an early Reuters story on the Times stories: Fitzgerald asked about Cheney's involvement. That sure didn't come out of left field, not at this late date.

"The end of all intelligent analysis is to clear the way for synthesis." H.G. Wells "It's not dark yet, but it's getting there." Bob Dylan

by Captain Future (captainfuture is at sbcglobal.net) on Sun Oct 16th, 2005 at 04:02:31 AM EST

Standard for indictment (none / 1)

The grand jury needs a different level of evidence to indict than a jury does to convict. For a criminal conviction the standard is beyond a reasonable doubt. The grand jury only has to find that there is a good chance that the charges apply. Right? What do the legal types out there say?

If so, it seems clear to me that Libby will be indicted. All of Judy's dancing around doesn't erase the suspicion that he divulged information he shouldn't have or pressured her to lie for him.

by Time Waits for no Woman (time.waits_at_gmail.com) on Sun Oct 16th, 2005 at 09:49:37 AM EST
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Re: Standard for indictment (4.00 / 2)

The standard may be different, but I doubt Fitzgerald will go for indictments if he doesn't think he has the evidence to convict. Prosecutors like to win their cases.

The Miller revelations blow at least one big hole in the official White House line which is that their attacks on Wilson were designed to set the record straight regarding the role of VP Cheney after Wilson's July 6, 2003 NYT op-ed piece. Miller's testimony and notes clearly reveal that Libby, at least, was on the attack at least two weeks before that piece appeared. I see a minimum of a perjury charge there, but Fitzgerald probably has much more.

jpol

by jpol on Sun Oct 16th, 2005 at 10:04:57 AM EST
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Re: Standard for indictment (4.00 / 2)

I happen to agree with you on that one. This whole facade was being put into place before Wilson even came out. NOw what is the reason for this? I suspect that the WH and primarily Cheney knew that Wilson knew the truth and why. These ppl are dangerous and they had to prove that they knew what they were doing in order to go to war inthe frist damn place.

When their bubble was burst, they had to grab for straws which was not convient when the DSM's came out either. WHIG ppl were in on that DSM's and they knew this and had to be quiet for this all along. Why do you think M. Matlin quit when she did...it was really getting hot in the kitchen by then.

by BrendaStewart (stormyweather1@hotmail.com) on Sun Oct 16th, 2005 at 10:28:48 AM EST
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I have a somewhat strange idea (none / 1)

One question is why is Judith Miller talking about Wilson's wife with Libby on June 23, when Wilson's piece attacking the credibility of the administration does not appear until July 6? Maybe Cheney and Rove are trying to put pressure on Wilson: shut up or we will blow your wife's cover and put her in danger. And maybe Miller was supposed to be the go-between and report this threat (not couched as a threat, of course) to Kristof and then he would pass it on to Wilson. When did Kristof's article which used Wilson as an unamed source appear? It would be interesting to see that article.

I can't access it, because the user name and password that I got from Mary Scott O'Connor's blog has been shut down at the NY Times site. Anyone else notice that?

by Time Waits for no Woman (time.waits_at_gmail.com) on Sun Oct 16th, 2005 at 10:34:12 AM EST
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Re: I have a somewhat strange idea (4.00 / 2)

Kristof's column ran on May 6, 2003.

jpol

by jpol on Sun Oct 16th, 2005 at 10:42:17 AM EST
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That article is not listed in the NY Times (none / 1)

archive, even though it is referred to in an article from June 13, 2003 that I accessed and bought. Strange. Anyway the June 13 article is very interesting. I am going to try and link it here

Kristof lays out the story of the forged document about the supposed Niger-Iraq deal on yellow-cake uranium very clearly. It refers to Wilson only as a former ambassador to Africa and refers to other sources of Kristof in the intelligence community.

Does Kristof have any role in this? Is he friends with Miller or just a co-worker? Is he friends with Wilson. Obviously he talked to him then.

by Time Waits for no Woman (time.waits_at_gmail.com) on Sun Oct 16th, 2005 at 11:26:39 AM EST
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I might have found the May 6, 2003 Kristof (none / 1)

article. See here

It also is interesting and features our very own Patrick Lang. Hmm. . . I don't know what to make of all this. Maybe there is nothing to make of it.

by Time Waits for no Woman (time.waits_at_gmail.com) on Sun Oct 16th, 2005 at 12:50:39 PM EST
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Re: I have a somewhat strange idea (none / 1)

MSO commented that people have been using the account to purchase articles, which are charged to her, so I guess that would be the reason.

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by diane101 (dianed101 @ yahoo.com) on Sun Oct 16th, 2005 at 10:54:03 AM EST
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Re: Standard for indictment (none / 0)

I don't know about legal types... But what about from the Grand Jury point of view?

Check out this from emmajoe...

It will answer some questions for you, I think? lol

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by Connecticut Man1 (connecticutman1 AT gmail DOT com) on Sun Oct 16th, 2005 at 12:55:09 PM EST
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Yes I finally read that (none / 1)

and it is very good. As it points out: "the grand jury is not responsible for determining whether the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but only whether there is sufficient evidence of probable cause to justify bringing the accused to trial."

by Time Waits for no Woman (time.waits_at_gmail.com) on Sun Oct 16th, 2005 at 01:19:39 PM EST
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