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How Fucked is Scooter Libby? | 36 comments (36 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

A Need To Know Basis (4.00 / 2)

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As far as I remember, sharing confidential info is only permitted on a need to know basis. Just because a colleague has an equivalent status, you do not share confidential information unless it's needed for his job.

FAS Project on Government Secrecy by Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL)

"The fundamental intellectual assumptions that have guided our Intelligence Community's approach to managing national security information for half a century may be in some respects crucially flawed," he writes.

Along the way, he challenges some longstanding practices that are so deeply-rooted that no one normally thinks to question them, such as the application of the "need to know" standard for sharing information.

"It may not be true," Sen. Shelby proposes radically, "that information-holders -- the traditional arbiters of who can see 'their' data -- are the entities best placed to determine whether outsiders have any 'need to know' data in their possession. Analysts who seek access to information, it turns out, may well be the participants best equipped to determine what their particular expertise and contextual understanding can bring to the analysis of certain types of data."

But information sharing is not exactly the solution either, "inasmuch as 'sharing' connotes ownership by the party that decides to share it, an idea that is antithetical to truly empowering analysts to connect all the right 'dots'."

▼ ▼ ▼ A MUST READ

by Oui on Mon Oct 17th, 2005 at 05:53:24 PM EST

Re: A Need To Know Basis (4.00 / 3)

I have been wondering in the last few days just who (and why) exactly does get top secret clearance? Does anyone know specifically how that works? I imagine that need to know basis probably is varying degrees of top secret clearance, right?

'Poverty is the worst form of violence'--Gandhi

by chocolate ink on Mon Oct 17th, 2005 at 05:58:49 PM EST
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From Memory ... (4.00 / 2)

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It has been a few decades ago, the security clearance is given pertaining to one's job or a particular project you are involved with. Regular reviews take place, but immediately when job or project is done, your special clearance can be stopped.

For defense industry, the FBI agents hold office within the building of company working defense contracts. Security checks are part of daily life.

▼ ▼ ▼ A MUST READ

by Oui on Mon Oct 17th, 2005 at 06:21:46 PM EST
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Re: A Need To Know Basis (4.00 / 2)

It depends. Each agency has their own ways and a Top Secret Clearance in CIA doesn't translate into a Top Secret Clearance in FBI. But the processes are similar.

Getting a clearance requires a background check. How far back they check depends on the level. I think TS goes back 7 years, but it might be more. They'll interview everyone you've dated, lived with and are related to. I've been interviewed for my neighbor's clearance renewal. Depending on the clearance type, if you have a foreign born relative or even in-law, you could potentially not get cleared.

Then for the super top secret clearance level, a lie-detector test is administered.

People who have the clearance with the polygraph are set for life. They'll never have to worry about finding a job, either in the public sector or private sector.

I thought his title was president of the United States, not of Iraq. -- Patrick Maunder, Seattle

by mlk19569 (mlk19569nospam@comcast.net) on Mon Oct 17th, 2005 at 06:23:01 PM EST
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Re: A Need To Know Basis (4.00 / 2)

So I wonder what clearance Miller got when she was given top secret clearance when she was embedded reporter? And if she by chance still had it then giving her info about Plame wouldn't be a crime right? Didn't she mention herself she didn't know if her clearance was still in effect? And seemed another stupid statement to me.

'Poverty is the worst form of violence'--Gandhi

by chocolate ink on Mon Oct 17th, 2005 at 06:34:27 PM EST
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Re: A Need To Know Basis (none / 1)

I think her clearance is bullshit. It can take several months to years to get a super top secret clearance. It isn't something that is just handed over lightly. Calling Rummy at the Pentagon won't magically produce a security clearance.

Even if she had a clearance, people forget that Valerie Plame was deep undercover and only the upper circles of the CIA and the WH would have the kind of clearance to know. IIRC Plame's status was such that the CIA would disavow knowledge of her if she were ever caught abroad. Not ever our allies were to know of her status she was that deep.

Just having that clearance doesn't mean Judy was allowed to have access to such highly sensitive information.

I thought his title was president of the United States, not of Iraq. -- Patrick Maunder, Seattle

by mlk19569 (mlk19569nospam@comcast.net) on Mon Oct 17th, 2005 at 07:16:08 PM EST
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Re: A Need To Know Basis (none / 1)

From what I've read, the need to know a NOC would be at the highest level of security. With NSA status Libby might be one of a handful of people who would have been able to identify Plame as a CIA agent. I would guess (and I certainly hope) that Miller's security clearance was something not quite as sensitive. Like maybe her status would allow her to look at certain classified documents -- but not have access to the names of agents. I also think that your clearance relates to what you are specifically researching -- perhaps Miller had limited access to WMD information, but not anything having to do with what Valerie Plame. Then again, Valerie Plame did have expertise in WMD -- so who knows?

"You can measure the moral character of individuals and institutions by the way they treat defenseless persons. " -- Henlee Barnette

by coffee cup on Mon Oct 17th, 2005 at 07:32:23 PM EST
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How the hell (none / 1)

does a reporter get a security clearance? That is what I want to know. A reporter is supposed to give the public information. Why would he or she pledge not to divulge certain things. That is his or her job. Someone who has a security clearance is an agent of the government. The government GIVES the security clearance. The person to whom it is given is then an agent of the government, whether paid or not.

by Time Waits for no Woman (time.waits_at_gmail.com) on Mon Oct 17th, 2005 at 09:18:02 PM EST
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