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Le Roi Est Mort, Vive Le Roi! | 140 comments (140 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

I can't let this slip by (4.00 / 20)

Since I don't post at dKos...

New school progressives are also less tolerant of ideological orthodoxy. We don't fall in line with the "acceptable" liberal position, frankly, because we're not trained to fall in line. We are more likely to be educated in an economy that values "proactiveness" and "self-initiative" and "problem solving" over blindly following the orders of our boss.

I swear kos wakes up in the morning and asks himself, "let's see...who can I alienate today?".

You want proactiveness and self-initiative? Learn your history! I guess all of those anti-war and civil rights and women's liberation movements in the 50s, 60s and 70s were just about falling in line, right?

C'mon...geez..."ideological othodoxy" my ass.

(And great diary, Boo.)

by catnip (llamg88 at hotmail.com) on Tue Oct 18th, 2005 at 10:36:15 AM EST

Re: I can't let this slip by (4.00 / 9)

Catnip, I like you do not go to the other site unless a link to that site is given for reading. I used to, just to see what is being said. I do not need it for thought since I have you all here. You are right..lots of ppl over there are out of touch, simply, with the rest of us here in the real world.

by BrendaStewart (stormyweather1@hotmail.com) on Tue Oct 18th, 2005 at 10:47:46 AM EST
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Re: I can't let this slip by (4.00 / 13)

As far as I'm concerned, people who have no respect for history ought not be predicting what will happen in the future.

by catnip (llamg88 at hotmail.com) on Tue Oct 18th, 2005 at 11:08:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I can't let this slip by (4.00 / 12)

perhaps he envisions himself the new school nostradamos... no need to learn history if you think you already have all the answers about the future.

by spiderleaf (spiderleaf at gmail dot com) on Tue Oct 18th, 2005 at 11:17:54 AM EST
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Re: I can't let this slip by (4.00 / 7)

:o)..so true!!!!!!!!!!

by BrendaStewart (stormyweather1@hotmail.com) on Tue Oct 18th, 2005 at 11:21:27 AM EST
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on Means and Ends (4.00 / 7)

Catnip -

You've got great comments throughout this thread today.

I'm reluctant to pile on about Kos because I think we have more productive things to do, but I'll just say this - as one of those old-school ideologues I see precious little thought on his part about WHAT we're going to do once we're back in power and WHY we want to get there - it's not about the winning, it's about helping the people once we run the bums out! And if we're not planning that now ("ideology") we're going to win and end up saying "OK, now what?" while the Republicans are planning their comeback, as they did to Carter.

I made the comment the other day that we needed to get our think tanks going, and someone commented that they didn't like think tanks. Perhaps I expressed myself poorly - what I meant was just the above: we need to figure WHY we deserve to win and WHAT we're going to do once in power, or otherwise we're rudderless and prone to lethargy and corruption once in power. We need the discipline of a public statement that puts us on the hook for results, or we'll just slosh around and fritter away our chance. And Lord knows the world can't afford that!

"Money ruined Democracy. Washington is lost. We only have the grassroots left." - Bill Moyers

by Knoxville Progressive (green_planet_2000 (at) yahoo (dot) com) on Tue Oct 18th, 2005 at 12:06:54 PM EST
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Be careful (4.00 / 5)

not to get greedy. Our job is to win the next election, not to win the next four in a row. And the two goals are not mutually exclusive. And the work on the goals can go on in tandem, and should.

But we do not have to resolve the split within the party before we take power, we must prevail once we gain power.

These are complex algorithms.

by BooMan on Tue Oct 18th, 2005 at 12:16:02 PM EST
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Re: I can't let this slip by (4.00 / 2)

That was my thought exactly. As a proud member of the Question Authority generation, I don't consider myself and my peers prone to "falling in line."

Of course, the hubris of the young is to be expected. After all, we were guilty of the same. It is every generation's birthright to believe they can change the world.

by jgreenleaf (jenny AT dpo DOT org) on Tue Oct 18th, 2005 at 03:41:59 PM EST
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