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My reading of Lakoff is very different than what you're describing.

To me, as I understand Lakoff, framing starts with the values, the worldview. The words come after.

It's not helpful to just say Luntz is a liar. What the GOP has done very well is appeal to worldviews average Americans have. They are existing worldviews. Framing does not create the worldview, it evokes it, invokes it. To dismiss Luntz as just using framing without core principles is to miss entirely what the Republicans have been so effective at doing, which is to convince average Americans that the GOP is comprised of people who think like them, have the same values, want the same things. When they talk of "tax relief" or "the problem with entitlements" they are speaking to very commonly held worldviews. Everyone wants "relief" from something oppressive. Nobody thinks it's fair that some people feel "entitled" to government aid, when everyone else is working hard.

It takes more than word spinning to counter that. First one has to step back and see how that very worldview places the issue in the wrong light. One has to clearly define for oneself what the proper worldview is -- and not just "Luntz is a liar" -- in order come up with the frame that evokes that worldview that puts the issue into a new light (such as "cutting revenue" or "cutting off assistance for those who most need it" or whatever).

Again, I think it's a mistake to think offraming as simply the "artful use of words." Rhetoric is involved, yes. But ethos, pathos, bathos, logos etc. don't quantify or define framing at all.

People voted republican because they truly believed that was the best option -- not because of their self-interest, but because of how they view the world, and how the republicans positioned themselves in it, and how the republicans engaged in the debate over the various issues. In other words, it really was about values, in a way -- but not just church values, but everyone's values. We voted values, too.

And winning voters will take more than goring their ox and convincing them that Republicans are just a bunch of corrupt liars and thieves. We have to reach down to our core beliefs, and frame everything we talk about in terms of the worldview that makes our take on the issues just so obvious it hardly needs further discussion.

media girl

by media girl on Tue Oct 18th, 2005 at 06:23:14 PM EST
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I agree and disagree and I'd like to explain.

However one identifies framing, I think it's fair to say that as a strategic system, framing works when the message resonates with the target audience. In this sense, framing is certainly more than the rhetorical structure of the message itself, because it needs to connect and harmonize with a pre-existing concept already in someone's mind.

I also agree with Lakoff that, by and large the GOP has a "Father Knows Best" rubric and the Liberals or Progressives have a "Nurturant" framework within which their views have cachet. (I would describe these two divergent forms more as "Authoritarianism vs Democracy", but that's perhaps for another time). And it's virtually a no brainer to grasp the fundamental reality that people adhereing to these different worldviews are going to react favorably and supportively to rhetoric that supports those views.

Where I disagree with your perspective is that I believe the broader arena within which framing is practised is also about creating worldviews and then exploiting or weaponizing those worldviews with framing afterwards. Let me explain.

In the past I worked in the field of cultic dynamics, working with people coming out of cults, and constantly examining the mechanisms and strategies used by cults to take otherwise normal and intelligent and well-integrated people and compromising their psychological autonomy and turning them into often times irrational, violent, and delusional human beings. And one of the main ways cults are able to make these transformations is by controlling the language used in the cult and linking that language on an emotional level to the cult recruits and members by exploiting vulnerabilities. And not all the exploitation is based on emotional weakness or ignorance. Idealism is frequently exploited, (witness the heavy recruitment efforts by cults on college campuses, for instance, seeking the idealistic youth to join the cult "commune"), as is the desire for love, (one of the most common recruitment tactics used in cult's is referred to as "Love Bombing"), fear of lonliness, search for meaning in life, and so on.

But here's the point. Cults use language to create new world views, and as those new worldviews are formed, the cult uses the corresponding subservience induced in their victims to further exploit them for whatever it is the cult seeks, whether it's money, sex, or just plain power. And,, importantly, the changes induced by language are incremental; one little psychic compromise sets the stage for the next one to take root. In a sense it's the same thing as using one frame to set someone up to be exploitable by the next frame.

The GOP extremist conservative machine has been doing this sort of cult-like manipulation of the public psyche for 30 years, and they're very good at it. Some of it certainly is a reflection of their warped views of what a society of man should be, but most of the agenda is about power and money for the few at the expense of the many. And I submit that their well-funded, decades long propaganda campaign has created worldviews, but more importantly, has deliberately magnified the importance and emotional impact of certain views in ways that has allowed them to then weaponize those views in the political arena and achieve goals that have actually nothing substantive to do with the frame they were using. (The "gay marriage" issue used to whack Kerry had some general resonance on both sides of the political aisle, but it was the accompanying fear campaign waged by the religious nuts that weaponized it and made it effective. "Clear Skies" or "Healthy Forests" have nothing to do with clear or healthy; nevertheless the frames these names signify were effective, even though they didn't reflect the principles of the party propagating them.

I will concede that a purist definition of "framing" does not by itself include the attribute of creating those views which allow it to be an effective communication tool. But, if framing is to be effective beyond the realm of it's own choir, so to speak, it seems to me that it requires the accompaniment of some sort of substantive message that extols the virtues and values and benefits of those principles that the framing seeks to resonate with. And this is where I find a significant problem with how the "framing" concept's efficacy is perceived.

On a smaller point, I didn't "...just say Luntz was a liar". Luntz is a liar, as anyone who knows his history can attest, but that's not what I said. I said he used his framing strategies to deceive and propagandize, and everyone knows that you don't need to lie in order to deceive. And, re Luntz, there is no doubt his framing keyed on sets of beliefs held by his targets, but the agenda advanced by the Luntz doggerel has little to do with the beliefs or principles it  exploits.

It seems framing genrally works best when it helps us to believe what we want to believe. But sometimes our propensity for believbing what we want to believe amounts to us being in a state of denial. With this inj mind, I think the discussion of framing might serve us better if we expand the arena in which framing has relevance.


Denial is our most dangerous adversary.

by sbj on Tue Oct 18th, 2005 at 08:58:25 PM EST
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Thanks for the thoughtful response. I agree with pretty much all you say. But....

It seems framing genrally works best when it helps us to believe what we want to believe. But sometimes our propensity for believbing what we want to believe amounts to us being in a state of denial. With this inj mind, I think the discussion of framing might serve us better if we expand the arena in which framing has relevance.

I'm not sure I'm with that. I think framing works best when it resonates with people's worldviews. Trying to frame something while creating a new belief window is more than double duty. But touching on people's inherent sentiments can be very effective.

The battle over Social Security was proof of that. The GOP tried to get people to value budget cuts over their own economic security, and it didn't work. The Dems hardly had to do anything but say, "But it's not more secure!" And there went the agenda.

Sometimes events conspire to help, too. Post-Katrina, it's a lot harder for conservatives to appeal to people's sense that everyone should be self-reliant, trumping everything else. We haven't seen any sort of real progressive push back on that, but people now are more inclined to value how government can step in and help people, simply because shit happens. In effect, the government's inept response to the disaster helped reframe people's view of the role of government in society.

But we can't count on natural disasters to reframe our issues for us, just like we can't do something like wait until Roe is gutted completely or overturned altogether before truly aggressively trying to reframe the question. Abortion is a perfect case of framing, because the social conservative frame manages to obfuscate the real issue altogether. Talk to women who work at PP (some who post here) and they will tell you about these "pro-life" women who come in to abort pregnancies. "Pro-life" has come to mean valuing life, so that people are not even thinking about governmental intervention in women's private lives ... until it hits close to home.

I'm not suggesting our counter is to try to spin issues into frames that do not really relate to the matter at hand, but rather to recognize that these frames are the real enemy because they are blinding people to even seeing what we're talking about. And that's why "reframing" is an essential task for us.

And that's why I challenge attacks on framing using distorted definitions in order to score some gripe with a straw man.

media girl

by media girl on Tue Oct 18th, 2005 at 09:49:54 PM EST
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I don't think we disagree about too much, and I have to say it's a pleasure to "talk" with someone knowledgable and who seems truly interested in exploring and defining the dimensions and value of framing.

I think your statement;

"I think framing works best when it resonates with people's worldviews."

is functionally identical to mine saying;

"It seems framing generally works best when it helps us to believe what we want to believe."

in the sense that even when we may not a particular something that we might believe, we nevertheless want to bel;ieve that we are right to believe it.

And where you talk about reframing, I want to emphasize again that peoples worldviews do change, just as their "inherent sentiments" change, changes sometimes induced by natural forces like hurricanes, sometimes by simplerepetitive experience, and sometimes as the result of clever rhetoric.

With this in mind, I want to better clarify something I didn't do too good a job with in the previous post. that is that while framing works because it resonates with worldviews, I suggest that it also works quite effectively because of how it exploits emotion.

Cultivating and capitalizing on perspective, on worldview, to me is quite a different thing than capitalizing on emotion. Most of the GOP rhetoric is effective because it operates on an emotional level, rather than a cognitive one. even with the language they so carefully created over these last few decades, they still need the emotional bludgeons to  get their way.

Exploiting fear and guilt and envy and other huge emotions is fundamental to the success of the Repub message having resonance with the public. And when you can use the frame of "fear" for instance, you then can chgange a worldview by identifying a traget for that fear in the rhetoric you devise. And step by step, new perceptions are created, new worldviews generated, and former beliefs obliterated.

I'm not sharp enough right now to even provide a specific example of where I think "framing" performs this incremental, one step at a time worldview-changing function, but I'm fairly certain it's there and that it represents the subversion of cognition to an emotion-driven decisionmaking process that frequently leads to disaster.  (Hitler used the frame of anger and despair and fear because of the failing economy in Germany to set the stage for his use of the frame that took advantage of the human propensity to identify someone to blame for the trouble. And he used this blame frame to identify the Jews as the cause of the problem and then he used the frame that relates to our propensity to punish those who do us harm to ghet the German people to support his murderous campaign against the Jews). This is not an exactly accurate example of what I'm trying to say, but it's close.

One final question is this; Do the Democrats need to change worldviews or inherent sentiments in order to implement a successful political framing strategy, or can they just discover framing that will resonate with already prevailing worldviews?

Denial is our most dangerous adversary.

by sbj on Tue Oct 18th, 2005 at 10:58:23 PM EST
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BooBoo!

Should be; "...in the sense that even when we may not like a particular something..."

Denial is our most dangerous adversary.

by sbj on Tue Oct 18th, 2005 at 11:05:29 PM EST
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"We have nothing to fear but fear itself." He said, in effect, yes you might feel scared, but don't give into it. But he said it in a simple sentence that did not command anything from anybody.

I agree that incremental reframing happens all the time. I think that's what "Reaganism" did -- it started reframing political debate in terms of conservative values, so you're either for tax relief or tax increases, for example, never mind what taxes do or why we have them or even that taxation is perhaps less important than how what money that is taxed is spent. We never talk about that, except as "budget cuts."

And yet in a radical and profound bit of reframing the political debate, Ross Perot stepped in with charts and straight talk and a bit of homely charm and got everybody talking about the deficit. He also talked about protectionism -- "A giant sucking sound of jobs going south" -- but that didn't seem to connect with people like the looming debt. I really don't think Clinton and congress would have balanced the budget and then pulled several years of surplus without Ross Perot's having reframed the debate.

Then came the "peace dividend" -- and what do you do with dividends? Give them out! There goes concern about the debt. Back to big spending. And, well, getting into W's fiasco of a presidency and how all the cynical reframing of issues and events to political advantage are worthy of a Ph.D. dissertation. So I'll stop here.

One final question is this; Do the Democrats need to change worldviews or inherent sentiments in order to implement a successful political framing strategy, or can they just discover framing that will resonate with already prevailing worldviews?

I can't answer that, because for the life of me I cannot even start to guess what the Democratic worldview is now. I see that as a huge problem. No wonder they're losing the war of ideas! They don't seem to have any of their own!

We'll see what they cook up for their own "contract with america" recipe. I can't say I'm optimistic. But I don't think they can start framing anything until they actually take a stand for something.

Picking up on the music analogy someone else posted, it's like our values are tuning forks. They don't do anything, unless they're struck or are exposed to a harmonic frequency. If you tune a violin out of tune, it won't resonate with the tuning fork. You may be playing music, but it won't resonate.

The same is with talking politics without values. One can frame all one wants, but without the values it's just out of tune, with no resonance.

It's late and I'm not sure I'm making sense. When I woke up today I had no idea so much time would be spent on framing. But I've enjoyed it, and it's helped me clarify some of my own thoughts on the subject.

media girl

by media girl on Wed Oct 19th, 2005 at 01:13:09 AM EST
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