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Banned from MyDD | 224 comments (224 topical, editorial, 1 hidden)

Re: Banned from MyDD (4.00 / 12)

This is kinda a dodge, isn't it, expecting some kind of "smoking memo" proof that the two organizations are connected?

NDN was formed by former DLC members to pursue outreach primarily on the internet.
It shares many of the same rightwing and corporate backers as the DLC.
It uses the same attack tactics utilized by the DLC toward leftist activists and base communities in the Democratic Party, only adapting them to the Internet rather than the DLC's focus on publications and fundraiser palm-slapping and tailored pocket picking.
It promotes right-leaning Democrats, using the same dishonest framing of "centrism" used by the DLC.
A remarkable number of candidates it promotes are former Republicans pushing for the removal of long-standing planks in the Democratic Party platform, and the adoption of the kind of pro-business, pro-wealth philosophy as the traditional Republican Party.

Conspiracies of shared backgrounds and goals might not be explicit "conspiracies", but the effect is the same.

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott

by Madman in the Marketplace on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 11:44:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Ari Berman (4.00 / 5)

- The Nation - Going Nowhere: The DLC Sputters to a Halt:

A public feud also emerged between From and the New Democratic Network (NDN), which the DLC founded as its own political action committee to elect New Democrats to Congress. The NDN had been run by loyal DLC protégé Simon Rosenberg since 1996.

There have been several posts over the last several months re: support from groups like Koch International which also give heavily to winger causes. I'm at work, hard to google them up btwn calls. Anybody got links?
Rosenberg and Kos' frequent attacks on "single-issue" voters and various activist groups on the left are different only in language, but not tone, from From/DLC's attacks. NOT linking to the "hippie" and "women's studies" posts again.
Massa, Casey, Democrats for "Life", Roemer ... et al

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott

by Madman in the Marketplace on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 01:37:38 PM EST
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NDN Wingnut friends (4.00 / 3)

NDN's wingnut friends

NDN PAC
Party: No Associated Party
901 15th St NW
7th Floor
WASHINGTON, DC 20005
Recipient's Name Date Amount Image Number
CONTRIBUTIONS
CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON CORPORATION GOV'T ACTION FUND 09/23/2003 2000.00 23992157239
HSBC NORTH AMERICA POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (H-PAC) 03/21/2003 5000.00 23990779167
KOCH INDUSTRIES INC POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (KOCHPAC) 03/05/2003 5000.00 23990762957
KOCH INDUSTRIES INC POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (KOCHPAC) 04/21/2004 5000.00 24961364794
MCGUIREWOODS LLP 06/16/2003 5000.00 23991629148
MEDTRONIC INC. MEDICAL TECHNOLOGY FUND 04/29/2004 2000.00 24961345471
MERCK EMPLOYEES POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (MERCK PAC) 05/06/2003 5000.00 23991089916
METLIFE INC. EMPLOYEES' POLITICAL PARTICIPATION FUND A 09/22/2004 2500.00 24971676406
NORTHWESTERN MUTUAL LIFE INSURANCE COMPANY FEDERAL POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE 09/10/2004 5000.00 24962412083
SMITHKLINE BEECHAM CORPORATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (GLAXOSMITHKLINE PAC) 08/06/2004 5000.00 24991230480

Let's beat the Republicans by by electing our own... Republicans.

by Parker on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 02:22:34 PM EST
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Re: NDN Wingnut friends (4.00 / 2)

KOCH INDUSTRIES INC POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (KOCHPAC)

read it a weep... nice company that Simon Rosenberg keeps... check out their major donors

* REPUBLICAN MAJORITY FUND

Let's beat the Republicans by by electing our own... Republicans.

by Parker on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 02:25:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NDN Wingnut friends (4.00 / 3)

I totally agree with you about Koch! They are the biggest of the crooks out there. and republican to boot!

by BrendaStewart (stormyweather1@hotmail.com) on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 03:12:52 PM EST
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Re: Banned from MyDD (none / 1)

please provide examples and sources for your bullet points. I'm open minded on this. I've been asking for someone to do this research for me for months, and I never get anything more than allegations.

by BooMan on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 11:48:05 AM EST
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Here is a quote from Simon in 2001 (4.00 / 9)

http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/print/V12/7/dreyfuss-r.html

The DLC's effort to win Meeks's vote was part of a vigorous campaign by New Democrats to assure legislators that business groups would replace campaign contributions from labor lost by a pro-business China vote. In The New Democrat, the DLC's monthly magazine, Washington's most powerful business lobbyist, Thomas J. Donohue of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, wrote that even though some members of Congress risked losing the AFL-CIO's support, "business will stick by Democrats on the China trade vote."

Simon Rosenberg, the former field director for the DLC who directs the New Democrat Network, a spin-off political action committee, says, "We're trying to raise money to help them lessen their reliance on traditional interest groups in the Democratic Party. In that way," he adds, "they are ideologically freed, frankly, from taking positions that make it difficult for Democrats to win."

by floridagal on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 12:06:32 PM EST
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And many believe one of those positions... (4.00 / 3)

of which Simon speaks, the ones which make it "difficult to win, frankly" is the issue of women's rights.

Many of us fear even Governor Dean, a physician who truly believes in a woman's right to choose her health care, will be taken in by the rhetoric.

We hope not, maybe he won't. One is not exactly sure which issues Simon was referring to, but we know the party had not been standing up for unions, minorities, or women.

by floridagal on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 01:51:33 PM EST
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Re: And many believe one of those positions... (none / 1)

What Simon Rosenberg is really speaking of when he says "difficult to win, frankly" is that is it difficult for him to win lobbying contracts.

Oh my... I wrote this months ago... damn I am good.

Let's beat the Republicans by by electing our own... Republicans.

by Parker on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 02:01:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And many believe one of those positions... (4.00 / 3)

For donors, NDN provides precertification that none of the politicians are noisy populists. "The candidates are validated to people in the room as New Democrats," says Rosenberg.

To ensure that liberals don't slip through the cracks, NDN requires each politician who seeks entree to its largesse and contacts to fill out a questionnaire that asks his or her views on trade, economics, education, welfare reform, and other issues. The questions are detailed, forcing candidates to state clearly whether or not they support views associated with the New Democrat Coalition, and it concludes by asking, "Will you join the NDC when you come to Congress?" Next, Rosenberg interviews each candidate, and then NDN determines which candidacies are viable before providing financial support.

Let's beat the Republicans by by electing our own... Republicans.

by Parker on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 02:03:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Banned from MyDD (none / 0)

This is why I think that the Blogs should have some kind of FEC regulations!!!! And I guess why Kos is threatening anyone in his path to avoid it.

If I wanted to be outfoxed...I'd watch Fow news not read MYDD and DK.

Let's beat the Republicans by by electing our own... Republicans.

by Parker on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 01:02:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

NDN & the DLC (none / 0)

I agree with BooMan. Please provide supporting evidence for your bullet points.

I met with a couple of NDN reps as part of an informal grassroots group several months back. From what I already knew and from how that meeting went I decided they weren't really the direction I wanted to go but... my understanding is

NDN was formed by Rosenberg following a disagreement with From/Reed on tactics
I have no knowledge of their financial backers
I've seen no evidence of them attacking the left in anything even remotely close to what the DLC has done. I could easily have missed this however... please provide links that to their attacks.
Their are "centrists" in the world. Being centrist is not inherently dishonest. Please show evidence of dishonesty on their part.
Coming to the conclusion that NDN was not the right direction for me (they seemed like political yuppies to me - something I most definitely am not) I haven't paid that close attention to their endorsed candidates. Can you quantify that support more former Republicans than others and provide evidence of a clear support for undermining traditional Democratic positions?

Perhaps I just haven't been paying close enough attention but my previous impression had been that they simply were centrist yuppies and not old fart progressive activists like most of us are.

Being a centrist yuppie ain't a crime. It's not that impressive but it ain't a crime. Bieng DLC wouldn't be a crime either if it wasn't that it also means actively and openly trying to do everything in your power to marginalize and politically crush the liberal/progressive 20% of the American electorate.

The 10,000 Things

by Andrew C White (acwhite.nospam.@taconic.net) on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 02:45:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NDN & the DLC (4.00 / 2)

oh, and the pushing of pro-war, anti-woman candidates as somehow being centrist, rather than rightwing, is dishonest.

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott

by Madman in the Marketplace on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 02:58:47 PM EST
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NDN... IS... the DLC (4.00 / 2)

1. NDN was formed by Lieberman, Breaux and Rosenberg.

In 1996 Lieberman, Breaux, and Simon Rosenberg founded the New Democrat Network political action committee. "Our role is to add political muscle," says Rosenberg.

I list some of their backers on this thread

NDN is a pipeline for campaign contributions. For donors, NDN provides precertification that none of the politicians are noisy populists. "The candidates are validated to people in the room as New Democrats," says Rosenberg.
To ensure that liberals don't slip through the cracks, NDN requires each politician who seeks entree to its largesse and contacts to fill out a questionnaire that asks his or her views on trade, economics, education, welfare reform, and other issues. The questions are detailed, forcing candidates to state clearly whether or not they support views associated with the New Democrat Coalition, and it concludes by asking, "Will you join the NDC when you come to Congress?" Next, Rosenberg interviews each candidate, and then NDN determines which candidacies are viable before providing financial support.

(see 3. above) and also Rosenberg: That was then...this is now
Well they are fund once removed by the REPUBLICAN MAJORITY FUND can't get more GOP sympatheic than that.

Let's beat the Republicans by by electing our own... Republicans.

by Parker on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 03:00:17 PM EST
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Re: NDN... IS... the DLC (none / 1)

Saying "a thing is a thing" is not a sufficient proof for a previous statement of saying "a thing is a thing."

Ok, so politicians we disagree with founded a pac... this proves... what?
Ok, so they represent corporate interests. More the reason for me to disagree with them. I disagree with the corporate influence of the DLC and others too... but the DLC has an added component that separates them from the rest.
Again, so they aren't liberals, they're "centrists"... so?
I fail to see your point here. So big money funders are trying something new, something that a lot of people think needs doing to fill a gap in which the conservatives are kicking our rear ends. This attempt at a new approach proves... what?
So Koch gives to Republicans and Democrats alike. Again... so? This is true of the vast majority of pacs, used to be true of corporations, and remains true of individual corporate donors. They play both sides of the fence and money goes to those in power. I don't like it. I believe campaign finance reform needs to happen (right after reapportionement reform and voting rights/technology reform)

I get it that you don't like corporate influence. Me neither. I get it that you don't like centrists. Me neither... though maybe not to the same degree as you.

What I don't get is how you claim that NDN = DLC. You've yet to show me one place where Rosenberg has spouted off in the same manner as From and Reed. You've yet to show one place in which Rosenberg has attempted to undercut liberal candidates or marginalize the progressve wing of the party in anyway other then deciding that they would support candidates that adhered to their own creed. Ummm... last time I checked we do the same in reverse.

It's ok to be a centrist. It's ok to be a republican. It's ok to be a conservative. It's ok for people to hold differing political viewpoints and it's ok for people to work to promote those different viewpoints.

What is not ok is the criminal nature of the current Republican leadership.

What is not ok is the fact that the DLC leaderships sole focus appears to be to crush liberals. That's no more ok then Ann Coulter calling us traitors.

What I will agree with you (partially) on is that it is not ok for corporations and other big money entities to have the type of influence over government that they do. It is the law that is screwed up in this case as it is allowed by current US law. Corporations are not citizens and shouldn't be treated as citizens. More money does not equal more voice. Unfortunately congress and the courts have ruled otherwise. I disagree... strongly.

But so far NDN simply looks like a pac with a different political agenda then me.

The 10,000 Things

by Andrew C White (acwhite.nospam.@taconic.net) on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 04:19:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NDN... IS... the DLC (4.00 / 7)

Nobody said it wasn't ok to be a centrist, Republican, etc., Mr. White.

Parker's point is that the NDN agenda is being deliberately, consciously, pushed--to the exclusion of all other viewpoints on certain blogs, or at least it's being attempted.

It's ok to be a populist or liberal/progressive, too, isn't it? Because to read Kos' posts on DKos, or Jerome on MyDD, you'd think that being a liberal IS a crime, or at least a mortal sin.

And they ban people who are populist/progressive voices. More and more are getting banned or shoved out of their blogs. Don't you agree we need to hear from everybody and let people decide for themselves among the varying political philosophies and viewpoints?

It's called "democracy". It used to be all the rage, but apparently has fallen out of fashion.

There are three types of people: those who see, those who see when shown, those who do not see.

by Shadowthief (Shadowthief1962@gmail.com) on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 04:36:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NDN... IS... the DLC (none / 1)

Shadowthief,

Well... Parker has claimed that NDN = DLC and that is the point I've been disagreeing about. The evidence he has shown to support his claim that NDN = DLC simply shows that NDN is centrist and corporate oriented. Fine. I don't care for that either but that isn't why I think the DLC is the enemy. It is simply something I disagree with. It just seems to me from Parker's writing here and in the past that centrist = bad guy and that is why I said it is ok to be centrist.

Now... on the subject of Jerome and Markos and their websites. They are consultants and as long as they are open about who they work for it is fine by me. Jerome works for Sherrod Brown and Mark Warner. Therefore I take that into consideration when I read his writing. It is highly likely to be slanted.

If they are excluding people for being liberal or progressive then their sites will die. Period. The vast majority of the netroots are progressive minded folks. Not all but by far, most. Markos in particular has already lost the vast majority of his early readership. Most are here or LeftWing or Street Prophets or elsewhere. If they want to kill their sites that is their choice too. I spend far less time on both of them then I used to already.

I'm all for Democracy. I am not in favor of slander and so far when I hear NDN = DLC I hear slander unless evidence of their active attempts to kills the progressive/activist/netroots class... me and you in other words... is brought to light. I ain't seen that yet.

Peace,

Andrew

The 10,000 Things

by Andrew C White (acwhite.nospam.@taconic.net) on Wed Oct 26th, 2005 at 12:17:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NDN... IS... the DLC (none / 0)

listen I sadly have to sign off for today.

I am not going to repeat all of my comments here because if you read them they do answer your questions.

Let's beat the Republicans by by electing our own... Republicans.

by Parker on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 04:22:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NDN... IS... the DLC (none / 0)

Sorry Parker. But as I stated. They do not. They support your pre-disposed view but they do not support your contention that NDN is no different from the DLC... for more on that please see my reponse to madman below as to how you and I are looking at this from two partially different angles... and why I think that is where our disagreement on this comes from.

The 10,000 Things

by Andrew C White (acwhite.nospam.@taconic.net) on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 04:38:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NDN... IS... the DLC (none / 1)

Parker (and others),

Anyhow... I respect your right to your opinion. You may well be right. It would not be the first time someone see's something long before I see it. I'll keep your point of view in mind (and those of others expressed here) and keep on an eye on Rosenberg and NDN as they intersect with my own life and political actions. I am a lefty and a populist and I am inclined to support Hackett simply because he represents one of the finer moments of the netroots and local activist cause which is something I strongly, strongly, strongly, STRONGLY support. But I get tired of us always shooting at each other and even at folks that we might not agree with but can work with when we have common ground. So far I think NDN falls into the latter catagory but, like I said, you may be right and I may just be a slow learner.

Peace,

Andrew

The 10,000 Things

by Andrew C White (acwhite.nospam.@taconic.net) on Wed Oct 26th, 2005 at 12:38:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NDN & the DLC (none / 0)

never said that it was a crime.

I provided a link above, and Parker has supplied more on the financial backing. I'm at work so my bookmarks and whatnot are at home and my time to google/link is limited.

As for the attacks, see the centrist posts and the bullying on lefty threads at dailyKos and to a lesser extent mydd, the most notorious being kos' attacks on "hippies"/peace activists and the "women's studies crowd." I'm at work, and the filter here blocks dkos. Is it as loud and ongoing as the DLC attacks? No, not yet.

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott

by Madman in the Marketplace on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 02:56:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NDN &amp; the DLC (none / 0)

Ok... that's Kos and to a lesser extent Jerome. That is not necessarily NDN. I can point directly to statements of From and Reed and others at the DLC to point out what destructive assholes they are. You are quoting Kos and saying it is NDN. This fails the logic path. Again, I am open to new information that shows that NDN is what you say but this isn't it and I haven't seen anything else yet that is.

I too am at work so I'll review this thread, and any links contained, later to when I have more time to see if there is any convincing evidence. Thanks.

Peace,

Andrew

The 10,000 Things

by Andrew C White (acwhite.nospam.@taconic.net) on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 03:21:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What am I missing? (4.00 / 2)

Jerome works for Sherrod Brown and Mark Warner. Therefore I take that into consideration when I read his writing. It is highly likely to be slanted.

You are quoting Kos and saying it is NDN. This fails the logic path.

I probably don't know all of the history. The following seems pretty straightforward, though:

NPI's founding team includes Sergio Bendixen, Jamie Daves, Gina Glantz, Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, Mark Penn, Cecile Richards, Simon Rosenberg, Joe Trippi and Theo Yedinsky.

More on NPI can be found at www.ndnpac.org.

Personally, I do the same as you: this is a consideration when I read something that Kos writes. Further, as an NPI goal is internet outreach, I do equate what he writes as part of their agenda.

How does this fail the logic path?

by dblhelix on Wed Oct 26th, 2005 at 08:44:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NDN &amp;amp; the DLC (none / 0)

Is there a reason you are not reading my posts to your request for more information?

Let's beat the Republicans by by electing our own... Republicans.

by Parker on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 03:24:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NDN and the DLC (none / 0)

As I said, I'm at work and at least have to pretend to be working part of the time.

In the meantime... I did reply to one of your posts. Please see that and my reply to madman below.

Peace,

Andrew

The 10,000 Things

by Andrew C White (acwhite.nospam.@taconic.net) on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 04:35:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NDN &amp;amp; the DLC (none / 1)

see Parker's comment.

I won't be home until 9 pm or so, 6 and a half hours from now (class after work). By then I'll be past braindead.

Admittedly, while Parker's links are really good, I'm sure one could say they are not direct proof. One could also say the same thing about many things that Bush and his supporters do. We could play this "that proof isn't convincing enough" thing forever. Some of us see connections, you may not.

Best I can do.

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott

by Madman in the Marketplace on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 03:28:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NDN and the DLC (none / 0)

Valid point. As I tried to make clear in my response to another of Parker's posts... the issue appears to be partially what it is each of us finds objectionable.

NDN has a so-called "centrist" agenda and a corporate influence. I support neither of those. But I've also seen some good work out of them during the last campaign.

The DLC has made it very clear they consider liberals like me to be the enemy and are doing everything in their power to crush me/us. If they get new leadership and disavow that approach and instead simply promote a "centrist" corporate agenda then I will likewise switch from considering them the enemey to considering them a group that I do not agree with.

As it is, I've no reason to join with NDN but the DLC is the enemey, a clear and present danger.

As far as I can tell you guys are objecting mostly to the corporate influence on both these two groups. Ok, I object to corporate influence anywhere in politics. I'm with you that far. But I've yet to see anything out of NDN or Rosenberg that indicates they consider me the enemey or are trying to crush me. Quite the contrary actually. I'm fairly certain that they would jump at the chance to build a working relationship with me and my group. They have already shown interest in just such a thing. The DLC wants people like me crushed under their bootheels. Two very different things.

So... yes, proof is there that they are centrist and corporate.

No, proof is not there that they are the DLC. It is my intention to do to the DLC leadership exactly what they are trying to do to me. Crush them under my bootheel and make them completely and totally politically irrelavant and marginalized.

NDN I may work in coalition with if we can find common ground. It remains to be seen.

The 10,000 Things

by Andrew C White (acwhite.nospam.@taconic.net) on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 04:32:01 PM EST
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Re: NDN and the DLC (4.00 / 2)

But I've also seen some good work out of them during the last campaign.

Look, not to be argumentative, but can you support this from direct experience? With some links and data that supports they walked the walk in '04??

Because there ARE troubling indications (reports from individuals that have attneded NDN/Kos/trippi/Rosenberg panels and day seminars this past summer/fall) that are very disturbing.

More and more they sound like yet another consultant "game", something the Democratic party is heavily larded already.

Their game is to promise (and I mean HEAVILY promise with some flagrant language) the net roots fundraising to candidates and consulting for the way into the net roots.

I wonder if you caught the show that Jerome put on in the Hackett thread at DKos yesterday. Very revealing.

The online netroots consultants are looking very unprofessional... or like very very lame Chris Lahane wannabes....

Not good.

by Marisacat (Marisacat@aol.com) on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 09:51:39 PM EST
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Re: NDN and the DLC (3.40 / 5)

Kos and Jerome have coined a new term for Hackett supporters on DKos:

"Hackett Fedayeen".

The term "fedayeen" is an insult I shall not forgive nor forget. Surely it cannot have escaped the blogworld's answer to Martin and Lewis that Hackett faced fedayeen who were trying to kill him, and who have killed, US soldiers and Marines in Iraq.

A fedayeen sniper nearly shredded my right arm in Gulf War I. To be called a fedayeen...well, my jaw clenched in anger, and it did not unclench for a long, long time.

This, I do not forget.

This, I do not forgive.

There are three types of people: those who see, those who see when shown, those who do not see.

by Shadowthief (Shadowthief1962@gmail.com) on Wed Oct 26th, 2005 at 12:03:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

have they really? (4.00 / 3)

That's not cool. I can understand completely why that would be upsetting. If they have done that then they are out of line... even if it was in response to someone else being out of line to them first.

From what I know of both Hackett and Brown they are both fine candidates and I hope the best man wins. I would hope that we netroots folks could disagree on these two candidates civilly. If not, then it is a bad sign for all of us. There are going to be plenty of elections where we are going to be supporting different candidates. The next Presidential primary will certainly fall into this category. Jerome and Markos need to be able to handle us disagreeing with them and we need to be able to accept them picking candidates and working for them.

Without stuff like "fedayeen." That is over the line.

The 10,000 Things

by Andrew C White (acwhite.nospam.@taconic.net) on Wed Oct 26th, 2005 at 12:28:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NDN and the DLC (none / 1)

Marisacat! How ya doin'?

I've stayed out of the Hackett/Brown thing for the most part. So I missed whatever Jerome said. I know he is working for Brown though. I frankly, don't do as much reading and participating over at Dkos as I used to so it is quite possible I am missing something.

I was thinking of the advertising work NDN was doing in Florida in '04 (perhaps saying "I've seen" was not quite correct - I saw the ads but I took other peoples word for it on the results) which had very favorable reviews from several people (people other than Jerome or Markos) who's opinions I respect. I have not attended any of their seminars. Two of their reps were invited to present over lunch to a group of varied grassroots folks that met outside of Washington several months back. Like I said earlier, I wasn't all that impressed. They seemed sincere enough about what they were selling but it did seem like a cross between consultant class stuff and yuppie network building. We all said thank you very much. Don't call us, we'll call you.

If Rosenberg and NDN are trying to buy the blogosphere and thereby buy the netroots as seems to be being implied here, then I am very much against that. I also think it is doomed to failure. If Markos and Jerome get bought then we'll all just move elsewhere... as has seemed to be a trend already.

At the same time though I can't fault Rosenberg for trying to get in on a good thing. Makes sense and I would do it too. And if I thought there was an effective niche to be filled between candidates and netroots (which I do) then it would only make sense to try and fill it if I felt I was in the right position to do so.

Listen, I don't have any great need for NDN but Parker is insisting that they are the same as the DLC and I've yet to see anything remotely close to that out of them. The DLC doesn't want to promise the netroots to candidates... they want to dig a 12 foot hole and bury the netroots in it and keep the candidates completely for themselves. They hate us because they can't control us. Rosenberg may well be trying to play a game and gain a piece of the netroots pie but that is a far cry from actively trying to bury us.

Peace,

Andrew

The 10,000 Things

by Andrew C White (acwhite.nospam.@taconic.net) on Wed Oct 26th, 2005 at 12:01:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NDN & the DLC (none / 0)

Oh yeah... here is where Simon Rosenberg sells out the unions so he can make money from a cable company

Here is what Rosenberg will do for a buck (warning PDF)

Here are the hard working Americans he was more that happy to sell out (warning PDF)

Let's beat the Republicans by by electing our own... Republicans.

by Parker on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 03:14:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NDN &amp; the DLC (none / 0)

This is why the DLC/NDN are pushing to get rid of issues and ideology... it slows them down from ripping off the Democratis party... all those pesky unions keep getting in the way of their lobbying contract... and those women keep fouling up there lobbying contracts with religo-facists who want to play God with women's bodies.

What is so infuriating is that they have ALMOST successfully sold this LIE that it is the special interest fault... notice how quiet they are about Arnold getting his butt kicked by all those special interested groups in California... I mentioned this once on MyDD and was told that it was a special case to California and could not be imitated elsewhere...just like they kept saying that Hackett almost victory was a special case because it was a special election.

California is a perfect example of the "BIG TENT"... Rosenberg must cringe everytime he see photos of firemen, nurses, cops, teachers, gays and Operation pink froming alliances and kicking the terminators butt...

Let's beat the Republicans by by electing our own... Republicans.

by Parker on Tue Oct 25th, 2005 at 03:36:10 PM EST
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