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Unauthorized Reproduction bill has been drafted | 121 comments (121 topical, editorial, 3 hidden)

it's us today, but it will be you tomorrow (4.00 / 6)

It's already happening, slippery slope

The proposed mandatory intrusion into the personal lifes of those seeking help here is justified by "we already do it to would-be adoptive parents." Next step will be to demand this intrusion to be mandatory for all couples, justified by "we already do it to those couples who need a little help to be pregnant."

This goes through and before you know it divorcies will become illegal.

Next, single women will become illegal and authorities will be allowed to claim single women 'eminent domains' and pair them up with Halliburton stallions<s>tm</s>.

by high5 (high5104@yahoo.com) on Tue Oct 4th, 2005 at 07:27:55 AM EST
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Re: it's us today, but it will be you tomorrow (4.00 / 5)

I have long feared that single women would be a target for the American taliban, second only to gays.

Time for a climate change, methinks.

by CabinGirl on Tue Oct 4th, 2005 at 08:07:47 AM EST
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Re: it's us today, but it will be you tomorrow (4.00 / 5)

I have long feared that single women would be a target for the American taliban, second only to gays.

This bill covers both. I think the primary target in this particular monstrosity is lesbians with, I've no doubt, women who have children OOW close behind. I believe that the aim is a legal framework which allows the state to legally and easily claim custody of infants born to non-approved women.

by the other colleen on Tue Oct 4th, 2005 at 11:03:10 AM EST
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Re: it's us today, but it will be you tomorrow (4.00 / 4)

That was my first thought: it's an excellent way to legalize the seizing of children for other purposes. And forgive me for saying this, but I could see them making it retroactive if they were successful with the legally sanctioned infant abductions.

by CabinGirl on Tue Oct 4th, 2005 at 11:16:14 AM EST
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I really don't think so (4.00 / 2)

This state is not interested in raising other people's children; it isn't even particularly interested in doing anything for those who have two parents. I think what they want to do is

prevent any lesbian from having a baby
encourage lesbians to live somewhere else
make sure that the only single women who can use technology to make babies are well-off, mainstream Christian white women

If I had my life to live over, I would do it all again, but this time I would be nastier -- Jeannette Rankin

by AndiF (ferguson1461 at gmail dot com) on Tue Oct 4th, 2005 at 11:27:23 AM EST
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Re: I really don't think so (4.00 / 3)

Well, my thought was that after chasing the lesbians out of town, unauthorized white children would be placed in "Christian" homes, and non-whites would be raised in orphanges for the military.

This is just heinous. Unfortunately, I don't think too many people will give it a second thought.

by CabinGirl on Tue Oct 4th, 2005 at 11:37:50 AM EST
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Re: I really don't think so (4.00 / 3)

I don't think it will be given a second thought by many, because it will be presented as a way of reducing the number of children born to poor unmarried nonwhites and I'm sure they'll tie in the whole "You need to prove more skills to get a driver's license than to become a parent" argument, which will totally appeal to the religious neanderthals.

by CabinGirl on Tue Oct 4th, 2005 at 11:40:03 AM EST
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Re: it's us today, but it will be you tomorrow (4.00 / 3)

And forgive me for saying this, but I could see them making it retroactive if they were successful with the legally sanctioned infant abductions.

They want the infants, not the older children. There's approximately 150,000 foster children up for adoption in the US at any given time that no one wants. Part of this is because upper middle class couples want to adopt children who 'look like them', part is because they don't want 'ruined children' and part is because they don't want any future parental claims on the child they adopt.
There aren't the resources to make it retroactive, there aren't the resources to care for the low income children already born.

by the other colleen on Tue Oct 4th, 2005 at 11:40:41 AM EST
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Re: it's us today, but it will be you tomorrow (4.00 / 2)

You're right.

by CabinGirl on Tue Oct 4th, 2005 at 01:26:12 PM EST
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Re: it's us today, but it will be you tomorrow (4.00 / 2)

I don't think they're going after lesbians any more so than gays in general -- and this sort of bill will probably hit the gay men harder, actually, since 'borrowing' sperm is usually easier than 'borrowing' a womb.

By which I mean, because I'm fertile I could get myself knocked up over the weekend without touching anyone so long as I had a willing fertile male friend and turkey baster, and no one would ever know I hadn't had "proper sex". (I'd be OOW, sure, but this bill doesn't address OOW conceptions outside the lab. Yet. I've no doubt it's on the To Do list.) But gay men typically find it much harder to find a surrogate mother who will also jump through all the hoops she'll have to because he's gay, and this bill will just make it that much harder because if any queer would-be-parents have the same sorts of troubles that straight would-be-paernts have trying to conceive, then rather than being able to avail themselves of the remedies available on the market, they will be threatened with punishment for daring to think they're equal to heterosexuals.

You know the right wing thinks gay men are sorta like deformed women-with-penises, so they treat them accordingly. The queer men don't really have it much easier, overall and on the average, than queer women.

I believe that the aim is a legal framework which allows the state to legally and easily claim custody of infants born to non-approved women.

Change that last bit to "non-approved people, especially non-approved women", and I think it's exactly right.

by IndyLib on Tue Oct 4th, 2005 at 11:46:34 AM EST
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Re: it's us today, but it will be you tomorrow (4.00 / 8)

Now you see the real base for the anti-abortion movement... I particulary like debating the anti-abortion loons on Kos and inevitably they ALL end up addressing their real beef... that the woman was allowed to abort "a man's property" with out his say so... that is what this is all about. Is it any wonder that the most rabid anti-abortion folks are white males...

This bill is the logical next step... not only will a woman be criminalized for "destroying a man's property" aka abortion now she will have to ask his permission to even concieve...

Let's beat the Republicans by by electing our own... Republicans.

by Parker on Tue Oct 4th, 2005 at 08:23:06 AM EST
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Re: it's us today, but it will be you tomorrow (none / 1)

Yes, yes and yes. Like the hokey-pokey, that's what it's all about.

And making sure we have the "right" babies, too. See also Bill Bennett.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Tue Oct 4th, 2005 at 06:21:13 PM EST
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Re: it's us today, but it will be you tomorrow (4.00 / 2)

It's also classist. Who do you think will be setting the standards for lifestyle, and what church/temple/synagogue is OK. How many times a year must you attend church, to be approved? Do you have to teach Sunday school? Will they check how much you give?

If you attend NASCAR races and bowl with the league on Friday nights, is that acceptable? How many times per month can you go to the sports bar with your friends? If your parents were born in Asia and you live with your extended family, is that OK? If you're Muslim, is that OK? If you have an altar to your ancestors in the living room, is that OK? What about if grandma's ashes are in an urn on the fireplace mantel because you're taking care of Grandpa, who wants them to be scattered with his when he dies? Is that OK? Will they check the books you have on your bookshelves? Will they count the number of tv sets in your house?

This is sickening, and I'm bother heartily glad I moved AWAY from Indiana (in part because of the mentality that allows things like this to see the light of day)...and wish I were still there to confront these morons.

by RevSue on Tue Oct 4th, 2005 at 01:24:41 PM EST
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