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"I Spy" Rants and Demands | 48 comments (48 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: "I Spy" Rants and Demands (4.00 / 5)

What really scares me is that we only know about the things that they couldn't keep hidden. I would imagine we're only seeing the veriest tip of the iceberg. These guys are maniacs. Their only motivations are power and greed. They love to pass laws for you to obey. They just do whatever they want to.

I never thought I'd see our country in the grip of such a souless, heartless, evil gang.

by SusanD on Sat Dec 17th, 2005 at 06:47:22 AM EST

Re: couldn't keep hidden (4.00 / 2)

Those questions jumped at me too. I found this article and I had to ask where the shame is from WaPo to indirectly admit that they didn't even know about this while the Times sat on it for a year.

This story has been in the alternative news and accused of not being substantiated for a while but i don't think it was covered by any of the MSM. I thought they had the intel embeds at the Post, too.

The New York Times' revelation yesterday that President Bush authorized the National Security Agency to conduct domestic eavesdropping raised eyebrows in political and media circles, for both its stunning disclosures and the circumstances of its publication.
In an unusual note, the Times said in its story that it held off publishing the 3,600-word article for a year after the newspaper's representatives met with White House officials. It said the White House had asked the paper not to publish the story at all, "arguing that it could jeopardize continuing investigations and alert would-be terrorists that they might be under scrutiny."
At the Times, a Scoop Deferred

by rumi on Sat Dec 17th, 2005 at 09:11:37 AM EST
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circular argument (4.00 / 3)

I saw some doofus, might have been Saxby Chambliss making the circular argument that the press shouldn't leak this "national security" stuff because;

another story tipped off Bin Laden that his calls were being monitored causing him to stop using his cell phone and that's why we haven't caught him.
this story could tip off terrorists that their calls might be monitored.
we need secrecy because we don't want terrorists to know we might be listening.

So, we're tossing out the Constitution, ignoring the fact that the Feds would easily get a FISA warrant so we can troll for the really, really stupid terrorists?

Just like the library provision. Gonzales argues they need the library snoop provision in the Patriot Act because terrorists use library computers...

by debraz on Sat Dec 17th, 2005 at 09:42:11 AM EST
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Re: circular argument (4.00 / 2)

The idiotic assumption inferred by the always shallow-thinking Chambliss that the so-called terrorists don't already know that their calls and emails are likely to be monitored is further evidence of the near total dysfunctionality of the Bush regime and their delusional thinking.

Whether it's Chambliss' absurd remarks, or uber-fascist John Yoo's assertion that the president is not bound by any laws that restrict his authority in any way, (an argument that basically says the presidentis infallable, a particularly ludicrous claim considering whjo the imbecile in chief is), these people are about destroying Democracy, not protecting it.

Denial is our most dangerous adversary.

by sbj on Sat Dec 17th, 2005 at 10:00:37 AM EST
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Re:sat on (none / 1)

This story hasn't entirely been sat on exactly. A lot of this came out around the Bolton hearings, everyone should note.

by Buffalo Girl on Sat Dec 17th, 2005 at 11:32:38 AM EST
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Re:sat on (none / 0)

Isn't that where the Democrats were vilified for following due process, labeled as obstructionists and subsequently castrated?

by rumi on Sat Dec 17th, 2005 at 11:43:01 AM EST
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Re:sat on (none / 0)

yeah pretty much !:)

by Buffalo Girl on Sat Dec 17th, 2005 at 12:13:33 PM EST
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Re: "I Spy" Rants and Demands (none / 0)

SusanD...I started a reply, but it got too big.

Now it's a diary.

Domestic Surveillance??? No!!! REALLY???

Go there if you are interested.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Sat Dec 17th, 2005 at 09:45:35 AM EST
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Re: "I Spy" Rants and Demands (none / 0)

Here's a link to an excellect but one of the veriest scary pieces I found a while ago.

The CIA's Role in the Anthrax Mailings

by rumi on Sun Dec 18th, 2005 at 12:44:25 PM EST
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