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Brit Bloggers Need Help Re Torture Docs | 22 comments (22 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Well that is a tenet of exceptionalism (none / 0)

To most Americans, including Lynndie and her friends and neighbors, as well as the warlords in Washington, to do such things to Americans, soldiers or not, would be an unspeakable atrocity, yet the official investigation of the Abu Ghraib activities was compared to a popular comedy movie.

It must be said, however, that US acted swiftly to ban all cameras from all US "facilities."

I do not know that Lynndie, nor any of her comrades in atrocity believe that they were doing anything wrong.

Some may have, but again, consider the culture.

Long prison terms in the traditional sense do not in my (as usual, controversial) opinion, constitute justice.

I would rather see Lynddie, like any other criminal kept in a humane, supervised and structured setting, where they can do no further harm to others, but on the contrary, put to useful and lucrative work, trained for it if needed, and all earnings above that necessary for their basic expenses paid to their victims or their families.

one man's conspiracy is another man's business plan
Blog updated as needed

by DuctapeFatwa (DuctapeFatwa@yahoo.com) on Fri Dec 30th, 2005 at 07:04:59 PM EST
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Re: Well that is a tenet of exceptionalism (none / 0)

If that is what will happen to them, then it will not be a deterent. Rather it will happen over and over again. And if that happens, then those who have been the victims of torture will be justified in taking justice into their own hands.

Suppose that the Nazis instead of tried for their crimes were sent to a rehabilitaion program. Rather than Never Again it would be Once Again.

How do we stop from this hapening again?????

by cruz del sur (nicodk@sbcglobal.net) on Fri Dec 30th, 2005 at 07:25:49 PM EST
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They will be unable to do it over again (none / 0)

They will be, as I said, in a supervised and structured environment. Some would be there for life.

If their rehabilitation is successful, they will not wish to do it over again. That is what rehabilitation means. :)

The victims will benefit from their rehabilitation, and hopefully, over time, the system will help people evolve from the desire to perpetuate violence and brutality by becoming a part of it themselves, and attempting to outdo those who committed crimes against them.

In the larger sense, your question, how do we stop it from happening again, in my opinion, can be answered only by the slow process of evolution, as human beings become more advanced.

Societies, including justice systems, can aid this process or impede it. I believe the current system does the latter.

one man's conspiracy is another man's business plan
Blog updated as needed

by DuctapeFatwa (DuctapeFatwa@yahoo.com) on Fri Dec 30th, 2005 at 07:33:31 PM EST
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Re: They will be unable to do it over again (none / 0)

Sounds good. Those who did commit attrocities would learn. But what about those who come in the next generation?

Oh, they tortured and ONLY got 3 years. Cake walk, so lets do it again.

That is what will happen.

I am pretty sure that you are not aware of what was published today in south american papers in regard to the military in Uruguay. So far they have been pardoned of all the crimes they commited. It is no surprise that they have issued a statement saying that the Never Again doesnt apply to them. They said that it may happen again. There is a correlation between not punishing them and believing that they can do it again.Now, those countries that have taken their military to court and to jail, they are not saying that. On the contrary, they have stated that they were wrong. They have vowed not to repeat those same mistakes.

What do you tell the family of that newborn chiled that ws grabbed by its fragile little legs and whose life was shattered against a wall and then dumped on the floor at her mothers feet. Short sentence? Rehab?

by cruz del sur (nicodk@sbcglobal.net) on Fri Dec 30th, 2005 at 07:49:03 PM EST
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Those who do those things would get life (none / 1)

Short sentences would be for people who steal cars, rob convenience stores, etc. Not those who commit crimes against humanity.

one man's conspiracy is another man's business plan
Blog updated as needed

by DuctapeFatwa (DuctapeFatwa@yahoo.com) on Fri Dec 30th, 2005 at 07:53:22 PM EST
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Re: Those who do those things would get life (none / 1)

Yeahhhhhhhhhhh! we agree!!! :-)

by cruz del sur (nicodk@sbcglobal.net) on Fri Dec 30th, 2005 at 07:54:33 PM EST
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