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How can one respond to a hypothetical that is inherently contradictory?  If he's an avowed-KKK member, he (likely) wouldn't be the candidate for ANY of the 2 major party's national office.  SO, as an African-American person, the choice is not even a consideration.

By the way, all single issues ARE single issues (in the grand scheme of things).

"Look Daddy, I--" "Don't say anything. Sit down." "Look here, let's try to forget this. If you promise--" -- Song of Solomon, CW

by Chloe Wofford Is My Fav on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 08:27:35 AM EST
I just needed to use as an example a prejudice that was not common any more to illustrate my point - as opposed to prejudices which are still common such as anti-gay or sexist ideas.

While a KKK member might not be a party candidate today, anti-gay and sexist candidates are.

I think that most people can understand the analogy - and that it DOES show how all "single-issues" are NOT equal.

Daily Mendacity

by tiponeill (tiponeill at excite dot com) on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 08:47:42 AM EST
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Few people who espouse outright sexist beliefs are ever candidates, unless it's for the school board in a small town deep in the heart of Kansas.  And you know how worried about that most "intelligent" people are.

I'll grant you the comment about anti-gay candidates.  One needs only look at Tom Delay and others of his ilk to see that.  I'm not sure how most progressive candidates can support people like this, personally (and, I'm sure that s/he exists, but only republican candidates come to mind a la Rick Santorum).  I think to describe it in anti-gay terms is generally too limiting.  These are people who want to restrict the liberties of anyone who disagrees with their views.  For instance, Mr. Santorum is not only anti-gay, he's also anti-choice, pro big business, anti-elderly, etc.  Those are single-issues.  That reflects a larger thematic view about the roles of government and religion in the public sphere (which encompasses multiple issues).

So, I respectfully disagree.

"Look Daddy, I--" "Don't say anything. Sit down." "Look here, let's try to forget this. If you promise--" -- Song of Solomon, CW

by Chloe Wofford Is My Fav on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 12:46:15 PM EST
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we may disagree, but I assure you I am not purposely telling falsehoods in order to deceive you.

Few people who espouse outright sexist beliefs are ever candidates, unless it's for the school board in a small town deep in the heart of Kansas.

I didn't say "espouse outright sexist beliefs" - that doesn't mean that there are a lot of candidates who DO espouse beliefs, and vote for legislation, intended to deprive gays and women of their human rights.

I could care less about their motives.

Daily Mendacity

by tiponeill (tiponeill at excite dot com) on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 01:30:14 PM EST
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I think you've hit on something that is a key issue here.  That is does being anti-choice make you sexist?  I don't have an answer, although I doubt there would be consensus in the room on it.
by bawbie on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 01:10:46 PM EST
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My answer would be "not in and of it's self." Some people honestly, truly believe a fetus in the first trimester is a human being. How the hell do you tell someone who thinks this that the rights of the mother are more important?

I don't believe a fetus is a human being. It's a collection of cells. But if I did believe it was, I would find it extremely hard maintaining my pro-choice stance. This is also why I'm very, very uncomfortable making a direct analogy between abortion, and minority civil rights -there's a whole extra level of ethics and morality that's absent from other civil rights issues. Framing abortion as being that simple an issue may be a good way to go at anti-choice Republicans, but it's ham-fisted and imprecise polemic.

Yes, there are people who are anti-choice out of blatant, unadulterated sexism. But to automatically assume such motivates every anti-choice person would be a gross over-generalization.

by Goldfish on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 03:50:15 PM EST
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However, to carry on with the analogy, at an earlier time in history, wasn't the dominant position the belief that non-whites were biologically and morally inferior races and therefore  that their racist positions were justified? Indeed, as far as I can recall, such positions were, for a time rationally supported by what was then considered "scientific" discourse.

Jumping to my conclusion a bit here, but my point really is that individual belief might not really be relevant here at least relative to the broader structure of society. Just as the 19th century racist believed that his position was morally justified yet nevertheless contributed to a social structure that had the effect of stripping non-whites of their rights, the anti-choice person, even if they believe their position is not sexist, supports a social structure that has anti-women effects, namely the restrictions on their bodily autonomy.

(This comment is also too verbose and probably doesn't make sense too)

by sputnik on Sat Jun 11th, 2005 at 02:47:15 AM EST
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Totally uncalled-for, inflammatory accusation. Please don't go the ad hominem attack route. We all saw where that leads in the recent pie wars.

The reply to your post was totally respectful and well-intentioned, as far as I can tell. You should keep yours in kind.

by wontgetfooledagain on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 05:17:25 PM EST
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Get a sense of humor boys n girls (and I mean that VERY respectfully)

"Look Daddy, I--" "Don't say anything. Sit down." "Look here, let's try to forget this. If you promise--" -- Song of Solomon, CW
by Chloe Wofford Is My Fav on Mon Jun 13th, 2005 at 08:13:50 AM EST
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Instead of going to the extreme of the candidate being a KKK member, what if he/she was opposed to affirmative action, especially in education?

I think this might be a better example -- just because a person is anti-affirmative action (or anti-choice) doesn't necessarily mean they'll always side with the opposition, but do we really want to take that chance?


"Mr. Bush, you do not own this country!" -- Keith Olbermann, 1/2/07

by Cali Scribe on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 04:31:31 PM EST
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"just because a person is anti-affirmative action (or anti-choice) doesn't necessarily mean they'll always side with the opposition, but do we really want to take that chance?"

You've just nailed why I don't consider Janice Rogers Brown among the worst 5% of the Bush judges. Her record on criminal justice issues, especially as regards racial bias therein, as well as search and siezure, is better than the average Democratic Judge.

I'm running for the US Senate again, Wisconsin 2012.

by ben masel (bDESPAMmasel@tds.net) on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 04:46:27 PM EST
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I don't think the example is inherently contradictory but rather a purposeful exaggeration to make a point more obvious and avoid discussions of whether or not expressed opinions or actions by said person are racist.  

In other words, by using the exaggerated hypothesis as a starting point for discussion we can thus avoid the discussion of what is or is not the criteria for deciding if someone is a racist and move onto the discussion at hand which is whether knowing that someone is a racist is it acceptable to ask someone of said race to vote for them due to other issues.  And how does that apply to other single issue voters and who draws the line as to what is worth sacrificing and what isn't, and whether any single issue is worth sacrificing for a suggested greater good.

Hope that clears it up for you.

Florida Redistricting Petition - Don't let Florida get Delayed.

by Liberalpalooza (liberalpalooza@gmail.com) on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 02:53:47 PM EST
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As I mentioned up thread, treating black civil rights and abortion as analogous issues is troubling. The spiritual and ethical implications of abortion make such an analogy grossly inexact. Further, the way the analogy was presented here makes the assumption that anyone who is anti-choice is a misogynist.

This may be a safe assumption to make when talking about the religious right (especially since their misogyny manifests it's self in a number of separate but related ways), but it is insupportable and unfair as a generalization about every person who takes an anti-choice position (at least with out some other separate evidence of misogynistic tendencies).

For this reason, I think the analogy in this diary is both inexact and invalid.

by Goldfish on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 03:58:27 PM EST
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Further, the way the analogy was presented here makes the assumption that anyone who is anti-choice is a misogynist.

No - whether they are misogynist or not is rellivant - from the point of view ot the woman someone is attempting to oppress her and violate her rights.

Therefore she is likely to take as a personal affront people telling her to stop being an extremist single issue voter.

Which is my point.

Daily Mendacity

by tiponeill (tiponeill at excite dot com) on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 04:07:37 PM EST
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I know tiponeill responded but I wish to respond as well.  

They are not saying that abortion rights = civil rights = saving the spotted owl.  They are saying that these are each single issues that someone may believe is worthy of being THE issue that persuades them on who they will vote for.  They even state their opinion that not all issues are equal.  Analogous does not mean equal it simply means they are similar in one sense, which in this example is that they are both SINGLE ISSUES that some people could use as a litmus test for their vote.

Civil rights (or voting for someone who thinks you are less than they are based on your racial identity) is a SINGLE issue.  It is a good idea to look at this VERY important single issue as an extreme example before passing a wholesale decision on the worth of EVERY single issue or the worth of single issues in general.  In the same way that it's a good idea to look at a single issue that may be judged not important by most people when looking at single issue voting.

He has not made a judgment or comparison of the values of these issues only trying to get people to see one clear example in order to discuss other less clear examples.

The thought process they may be trying to achieve is something like:

Thought:  All single issues are not as important as the overall goal and should be sacrificed for the greater good.

Counter Thought:  What about asking an African-American to vote for a racist for the greater good.

Revised Thought:  All single issues are important and should be our only focus.

Etc, etc etc where more thoughts or examples are added and the thoughts continue to revise and grow or become more cemented.

(quick disclaimer that I'm not saying those thoughts are correct or even rational just an example)

You have to fully examine an issue from both sides and the extreme examples of it in order to fully decide your opinion.  Ok you don't HAVE to, but it's often a good idea.


Florida Redistricting Petition - Don't let Florida get Delayed.

by Liberalpalooza (liberalpalooza@gmail.com) on Fri Jun 10th, 2005 at 08:42:40 PM EST
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