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Juan Cole's response regarding "the UN Option" | 37 comments (37 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

OTOH, this won't scroll off anytime soon (none / 0)

One of the nice things about Booman Trib and European Trib is that the diaries stick around for awhile. That way the 7 of us that actually care about this shit can debate it to our hearts content.

Consider also that Mark cross posted this at dKos and it is now on the recommended list there with 173 comments. So maybe there is some hope after all...

by Hoya90 (hoya90jmk@yahoo.com) on Wed Jun 22nd, 2005 at 12:44:25 PM EST
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Re: OTOH, this won't scroll off anytime soon (none / 1)

Yeah. I just regret that it's on dKos, not here, the discussion has been taking off... would have preferred it to be the other way around.

BTW, I've posted a brief reflection on Cole's e-mail on my blog. Might as well dump it in this comment, saving us all a little bandwidth:

While I find Cole's response intriguing, thought-provoking, and well put, his insistence that what he calls `the global South' has "every incentive to solve the problem" sits uneasily with yesterday's cynical reference to "the cupidity of the world" and "how to play on it."

The nature of the incentive - aside from the envisioned cash reward - is supposedly that either US persistence in Iraq, or its withdrawal without replacement, "could well throw Iraq into civil war [which] would bring in the Iranians, the Saudis and the Turks" and lead to a global petroleum crisis which would disproportionately harm the south. Yes, it certainly could. But so could the substitution of highy skilled and well-equipped forces with a motley of militarily inferior troops whose morale would soon deteriorate to below that of GI Joe, since they'd have an even harder time preserving the illusion of defending their own countries.

And though he is right that $60 a barrel is already a strain on third world economies, it seems to me the political strain of sending their soldiers into a meat-grinder would be appreciably worse. Which is one reason why I can't really see `the global South' drum up the hundreds of thousands of blue helmets that are probably needed. It won't, insofar as it knows where its interests lie.

Needless to say, Professor Cole is incomparably more knowledgable than I on these thorny issues. And while I remain unconvinced, his proposal may merit more thought.

The world's northernmost desert wind.

by Sirocco (sirocco2005 - AT - gmail.com) on Wed Jun 22nd, 2005 at 12:57:45 PM EST
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Too many people are still addicted to dKos (4.00 / 2)

Lately, I've been chuckling as I cycle through dKos, BT, and ET. A lot of folks, including the Booman, Jerome, and Susan have been doing double (and even triple) posts across those blogs.

The reality is that most folks still gravitate to dKos and so things are more likely to take off there. There's also the ego boost that goes with getting 100 comments and associated mojo there, rather than the smaller traffic here.

The only way we'll see things take off here is if more people are willing to keep their great diaries exclusive to one blog or the other.

Note to Booman, Susan, and the rest - try posting a Best of Booman or Best of European Trib diary at dKos with links to the diaries here. That way the conversation can be driven here rather than chopped up among 2 or 3 blogs.

by Hoya90 (hoya90jmk@yahoo.com) on Wed Jun 22nd, 2005 at 02:26:15 PM EST
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Re: Too many people are still addicted to dKos (none / 0)

Good point. I've been 'guilty' myself of cross-posting an entry later on dKos for its 15 minutes of obscurity. (My frontpage posts on Eurotrib, though, wind up, at most, on my blog.) I have figured that when the frontpagers do it, it's surely OK for me too. But maybe we all ought to reconsider the practice.

The world's northernmost desert wind.

by Sirocco (sirocco2005 - AT - gmail.com) on Wed Jun 22nd, 2005 at 02:47:51 PM EST
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See my comment below on Newsie (none / 0)

I did a post comment instead of a reply!!

by Hoya90 (hoya90jmk@yahoo.com) on Wed Jun 22nd, 2005 at 03:31:10 PM EST
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Re: Too many people are still addicted to dKos (none / 0)

YOu know, as a person who looks at things and then takes it to digest for awhile, I just never have a comment on things like this til I think it through for a while. Take the issue at hand. Now I do read cole and he certainly has his head together, when it comes to Iraq. I just read things here and there and think. I am not smart enough to see things in such a clear view as some do. This is why I am on in the foreign relations of matters except at my job, so to speek. NOw, If we do decided to go the UN route, then I think the administration has to be changed from what it is now, in order to get the job done otherwise, we are in a real hell of a mess and this further agitates matters. Anything with bush and his admin. attached to it will serve no purpose. I can see where the 3rd world nations will do anything for a buck. It has always been like that tho. I can see the price of oil skyrocketing to out of this world. Now I ask you kind folks here, I have had a brain fart so to speak, if given that we dispose thsi administration in a rather harsh way like impeachment or such, and the world see we are in to make this crisis better, would things really be as bad as one would say here? Just a thought to think upon.

See I told you that I do not have much to say on this and I am not into foreign relations. I always thought it was wrong to go into Iraq and not cuz SH was a bad man, he was the glue that held the whole mess in the ME together at least in Iraq. Just look at what bush has done to the whole ME and SA and Egypt and just about every other nation over across the big pond. He turns everything to shit over night. He and his cronies do not know anymore about how to do better than anyone else in this situation either and that is what the WH is counting on is others to give them the answers on how to do it differently, ie, right winged think tanks.

by BrendaStewart (stormyweather1@hotmail.com) on Thu Jun 23rd, 2005 at 04:12:30 PM EST
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