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The Republican Immigration Bill | 21 comments (21 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Come on, you can do it (none / 1)

The reason I think the immigration reform discussion remains stagnant is because it forces us to examine our own thoughts about race. It can be a scary thing to look inside ourselves and see something that we may not feel comfortable sharing--but it still has to be done. I know I have a lot of latent racist thoughts that I am still trying to unlearn, unfortunately many of these feelings were taught at a young age through environment.

So, consider this a safe zone to air out your thoughts. I may regret this later but I think it's an important discussion that the country will eventually have whether we like it or not.

Latino Político | "We are condemned to kill time, thus we die bit by bit." - Octavio Paz

by Man Eegee (man.eegee at gmail.com) on Thu Jul 21st, 2005 at 05:45:43 PM EST

Re: Come on, you can do it (4.00 / 3)

Okay.. I have a deep seeded mistrust of oil men, pharamceutical dudes and tv evangelists.

"Individuals" are pretty cool and you can learn from them. "People" pretty much suck.

I kinda, sorta don't like those 18 year models telling me how to color my grey hair even if I am not "worth it".

People who eat ice. I find it really annoying to sit next to them.

People who have those "my kid is on the honor" bumper stickers...

I'd really like to get my hands on those people who shoot at road signs. Probably the same yahoos who shoot their guns in the air and fire off firework in a zone clearly not safe to shoot off fire works.

People who ramble on and on... Oh wait... :)

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix

by Damnit Janet on Thu Jul 21st, 2005 at 06:09:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Heh (4.00 / 2)

perfectly stated, I bow to your brilliance.

Latino Político | "We are condemned to kill time, thus we die bit by bit." - Octavio Paz

by Man Eegee (man.eegee at gmail.com) on Thu Jul 21st, 2005 at 06:28:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No need to bow (4.00 / 2)

that brilliance is just my ultra glossy lip gloss :)

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix

by Damnit Janet on Thu Jul 21st, 2005 at 06:38:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hmmm... (none / 1)

Well, if we let the Republicans just keep ruining the country, nobody is going to want to come here anyway.

To me, it isn't a racial issue. That isn't to say that it isn't for a great many people, but I don't think it is for me.

Feel free to call me out on it though, if anything rubs the wrong way :)

I like to break things down into their parts when I'm trying to understand them. So, we have a few facets of this discussion.

First, why do people come to the USA?

Better living conditions / escape persecution
Employment, opportunity

Those are very generic...obviously there are a lot of other reasons, but I think those cover the bases.

Next, why do people come to the USA illegally?

The legal immigration process is too difficult to get through, or expensive, or time consuming
...anybody? Anybody got a #2?

Now, let's look at the flip side. What are we doing, as a society, to encourage this behavior?

Our companies / businesses give low-paying jobs to illegal immigrants
Our government does not do enough to promote well-being in other countries

Again, surely there are more, but I don't want to turn this into a diary yet :)

So, it seems to me that the best way to solve the illegal immigration 'problem' is to make it less attractive for people to immigrate illegally. Make it easier to immigrate legally, but reduce the apparent need to do so. Help other governments create better living conditions for their citizens so that they don't live in such dire circumstances that they need to flee to the US. Do a better job of regulating companies and businesses that try to underpay illegal immigrants. If they were forced to pay a livable minimum wage, they would be less likely to hire illegal immigrants in the first place. This takes away an illegal immigrants advantage in getting a slave-labor job, and also protects them from being taken advantage of by people who know they can get away with it.

OK, I gotta run for now...catch up with y'all later!

Tengo un sueño.

by ejmw (ewitham (at) umich (dot) edu) on Thu Jul 21st, 2005 at 06:39:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm... (none / 0)

Great post ejmw, I think you should definitely put some of these thoughts into a future diary. The only way we're going to get more dialogue on this issue is if we all put our ideas out on the table.

This sounds like a good place for Dems to position themselves, unfortunately there is so much spread on where they all stand that their message gets muddled (sound familiar, like every other issue?) I hope Dean can rally the party to make a clear stand.

Latino Político | "We are condemned to kill time, thus we die bit by bit." - Octavio Paz

by Man Eegee (man.eegee at gmail.com) on Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 at 02:50:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The Republican Immigration Bill | 21 comments (21 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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