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Abortion Rights and the "Mommy Wage Gap" | 25 comments (25 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Not Blame the Victim (none / 0)

I'm not saying blame the victim. I'm saying that there are some very complex causes at work here, not just simply the prejudice against women. The lack of education and availability of alternatives isn't the fault of the women; it's the fault of society.

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?

by Egarwaen on Wed Aug 24th, 2005 at 10:32:30 AM EST
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Re: Not Blame the Victim (4.00 / 3)

I took your meaning with your first post, and I see your point about poor women and pregnancy. However, I don't think that is a factor in this problem. Remember that this earnings analysis also includes men, at the lower end of the socio-economic scale. Men across the board earn more than women, at every economic level.

Understand, I have seen this with my own eyes, among middle class women and even at the higher end of the economic scale. When you have a child, you are viewed differently. Your job is now seen as motherhood. Employers see you as a liability because your child is now seen as your priority, in a way that it isn't deemed for men. Men are seen as needing to earn more to support the family, but women are seen as mothers who need to raise their kids. On many levels women and children are viewed as economic drains, because raising children does not contribute directly to the GDP. Married mothers are viewed as working because they want to. Single mothers have it coming and going, because they genuinely do have to do everything and be all things to all people.

"I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat or prostitute." ~ Rebecca West

by Recordkeeper on Wed Aug 24th, 2005 at 10:57:53 AM EST
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Re: Not Blame the Victim (none / 0)

I think I need to explain more clearly. What I was specifically talking about was a loss of opportunities due to an unwanted or unplanned child. For example, having to drop out of high school, or being unable to afford college/university education.

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?

by Egarwaen on Wed Aug 24th, 2005 at 02:39:18 PM EST
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Re: Not Blame the Victim (none / 0)

I see. I read it a little differently, but, yes poor women are utterly screwed for a number of reasons, and many women are made poor by motherhood, who might not otherwise be. There are other factors, too, which is more what I thought you were referring to. There is actually an inverse relationship between higher education and number of children. Poor, uneducated people breed more, statistically, and, partly, by choice. I'm talking here about married people on the lower socio-economic end, as well. They truly are the proletariat. My husband just stares in dismay at these enlisted Marines with 6 kids they can't afford. And I do think there is a lot political calculation to exploiting that. We are creating new generations of grunts and WalMart employees, to keep a much smaller affluent class comfortable. I sound cynical don't I? I've also read studies indicating that urban poor breed so exponentially because they live in a kind of war zone, and its a primal reaction to the fear of annihilation. I've known a few social workers in my life, and while I'm livid that we aren't providing decent family planning options to the poor, I also know the harder reality, which is that even when it's available, many don't take advantage.

"I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat or prostitute." ~ Rebecca West

by Recordkeeper on Wed Aug 24th, 2005 at 04:22:40 PM EST
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Re: Not Blame the Victim (none / 0)

I don't think you're being cynical at all. I think it's a vicious cycle, and I think it's horrible, and I think that eliminating it should be one of the big goals, if not the big goal, of the progressive movement, beyond simple equality. I've suspected for a while that a lot of the conservative message - marry young, have lots of kids - is explicitly intended to preserve and perpetuate this situation. It just seems like too much of a coincidence that marrying and having kids young makes it a lot harder to take one of the better roads out of poverty: a good education.

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?

by Egarwaen on Wed Aug 24th, 2005 at 06:34:17 PM EST
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There are a whole range of issues that affect (none / 0)

people on the lower economic front. 1) Maslow's heirarchy of needs holds - people will think of survival first and believe it or not having children equals survival! At least to the human organism, it does. And I think to the human psyche as well. We create our very own communities in our families. 2) Access to medical/treatment is definitely harder. That includes access to contraceptives. Access to education about our human bodies is included in that as well. 3) Peer pressure, commercialization all combine to intimidate and manipulate and if one doesn't have a could grounding in self or have a fairly good sense of self esteem those things can cause a great deal of stupid and off centered behavior.

Grandma Jo

by glitterscale (glitteryscale@yahoo.com) on Sun Aug 28th, 2005 at 11:29:14 AM EST
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Re: Not Blame the Victim (none / 0)

moiv has a good post that's an example of the class of things I'm trying to explain.

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?

by Egarwaen on Wed Aug 24th, 2005 at 02:48:58 PM EST
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