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Madman v. Meteor Blades, and the Future | 87 comments (87 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

For the record, I think ... (4.00 / 7)

...Madman is a fine writer, and I often agree with his take on specific subjects.

On his views regarding electoral strategy, however, I think he is dead wrong. People will have to make up their own minds about whether my approach - trying to elect Democrats and moving them to the left while working outside the electoral system in the arenas of environment, reproductive rights, anti-militarism and anti-racism - is the correct one. There are cogent arguments, like the one you have made here, BooMan, on all sides of this matter.

As for Madman's view that I am a traitor and a sell-out to the cause, I was called that by members of the Weather faction of SDS, too. My grandfather, a 19-year regional organizer for the United Mine Workers and a strong critic of the Democratic Party, was himself called a sell-out for backing FDR in '32 and '36. Clearly, that was a mistake. If he had backed the Socialists or Communists, we'd have a whole different political system in America by now.

"We're trying to give the illusion of due diligence." --Bennett Holiday to Jimmy Pope in Syriana

by Meteor Blades (tleelange@hotmail.com) on Mon Oct 9th, 2006 at 03:49:27 PM EST

Re: For the record, I think ... (4.00 / 6)

good people follow the dictates of their conscience. I trust that you are doing that. However, I notice that voices like mine are being systematically driven off many communities, while yours is frontpaged. While I'm sure that at least part of that is due to me being a blunt, impolitic loudmouth, I did hang in for months at dkos trying to keep a more leftist perspective in play, no matter how imperfectly. I was relentlessly trolled for my trouble, and eventually banned. One must ask question the true purpose of a "liberal" site that drives debate using Red State tactics. A party as ineffective as the Democrats needs a vital debate, a fervent experimental environment where ideas can be subjected to debate. I remember when DK used to be that. Now it might as well be owned by Carville.

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott

by Madman in the Marketplace on Mon Oct 9th, 2006 at 05:09:48 PM EST
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Re: For the record, I think ... (4.00 / 2)

Madman

I've front paged your diaries here before, and probably will again.

This isn't dkos.

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt

by Steven D on Mon Oct 9th, 2006 at 05:21:50 PM EST
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Re: For the record, I think ... (none / 1)

oh, and I didn't mean to imply that it was. If that is how it read that wasn't my intention.

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott

by Madman in the Marketplace on Mon Oct 9th, 2006 at 05:30:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: For the record, I think ... (none / 1)

What would this whole new political system look like, to your mind? Do elaborate.

FDR's response to progressive demands: "I agree. Now go out and make me do it."

by DaveW on Mon Oct 9th, 2006 at 03:53:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The system I suggested ... (none / 0)

...snarkily that we would have if the Socialists or Communists had won in '32? Or the one I'd like to see now?

"We're trying to give the illusion of due diligence." --Bennett Holiday to Jimmy Pope in Syriana

by Meteor Blades (tleelange@hotmail.com) on Mon Oct 9th, 2006 at 06:17:28 PM EST
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Re: The system I suggested ... (none / 1)

The socialist/communist one. Personally I think we could have used a big dose of socialism. I couldn't tell if your statement reflected celebration or regret that it lost out.

FDR's response to progressive demands: "I agree. Now go out and make me do it."

by DaveW on Tue Oct 10th, 2006 at 12:31:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: For the record, I think ... (none / 0)

Why not a dual track approach.

Mr. Inside and Ms. Outside.

These do not have to be antagonistic strategies.

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt

by Steven D on Mon Oct 9th, 2006 at 05:20:25 PM EST
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I have personally always followed ... (4.00 / 2)

...a dual track. I spend about half my time in an election year working to get Dems elected, the rest on issue activism. One can do both.

"We're trying to give the illusion of due diligence." --Bennett Holiday to Jimmy Pope in Syriana

by Meteor Blades (tleelange@hotmail.com) on Mon Oct 9th, 2006 at 05:58:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: For the record, I think ... (none / 1)

except that the "insiders" join in the right's demonization of us "outsiders". Notice that the center-right Reps almost NEVER attack the far right? Do you ever see any of them Sister Souljah the Minutemen or Ann Coulter?

They should let us attack, let us do what needs to be done ... instead they'd rather work with the right.

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott

by Madman in the Marketplace on Mon Oct 9th, 2006 at 05:34:28 PM EST
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Re: For the record, I think ... (none / 1)

Exactly! Taking an aggresive stance would really attrack many people who are so disgusted that they are not voting.

"First, they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." Mahatma Gandhi

by Street Kid on Mon Oct 9th, 2006 at 06:31:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

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