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The Inexorable Logic of Impeachment | 31 comments (31 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Impeachment won't happen (none / 0)

under any circumstances.

You have no evidence. NO EVIDENCE. Evidence is not wishful thinking, or irate feelings. Evidence is stuff on paper. And you can't get it from this WH. If you try to get it, they will claim executive privelege, and it will take 9 months to get the SC to affirm executive priveledge.

Nixon was in trouble for one reason and one reason only: Alex Butterfield revealed the taping system. We have no taping system today, and we have no way of getting at any such information.

I remind those enthused about this chimera that, today, we do not know the persons or entities who met on Cheney's Energy Task Force. We couldn't even get the membership of this two-bit task force, and you expect to get evidence of impeachable offenses?

by dataguy on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 06:48:48 PM EST

Re: Impeachment won't happen (4.00 / 3)

You have no idea what evidence Congress does and doesn't have already. When Sen. Boxer spoke to an audience in Los Angeles with John Dean - they both laid out impeachable offenses. In fact, that was the event where John Dean said the President was the first in history to "admit to an impeachable offense."

If we don't investigate, we can't nail things down. The taping system did not START the investigation, it was revealed in the COURSE of the investigation.

We can't impeach without an investigation. But it's WAY past time to begin that process.

How can you say there is "NO EVIDENCE" when the evidence has been laid out here and elsewhere over the last several years?

Start here, for a refresher.

Proposed Articles of Impeachment, drafted by Ramsey Clark. General overview.

Conservative Scholars Argue Bush's Wiretapping Is An Impeachable Offense

Bush's CIA Order Another Impeachable Offense

Gore says Bush's Wiretapping could be an Impeachable Offense. See also Salon's article Bush's Impeachable Offense

The list goes on and on, if you are willing to do a little homework.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 07:53:47 PM EST
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Evidence is not wishful thinking (none / 0)

It is not a list of indictments.

It is pieces of paper. Paper which is in the WH, and in the DoD and in the DoS.

How will you get those pieces of paper?

No one disputes the need for investigations. Investigations in the SERVICE of impeachment are a suicide pact, however. Investigations for oversight are needed.

However, I will wager $500 to anyone that 1) Bush will not be impeached in the House, AND 2) it will not come to a vote in the Senate. Won't happen.

by dataguy on Tue Dec 19th, 2006 at 11:26:16 PM EST
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Re: Evidence is not wishful thinking (none / 0)

If you can say that he broke no laws I hope you never run for Congress, Senate, or any other role requiring responsible oversight. I shudder at the thought of your mentality in a position of power.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed Dec 20th, 2006 at 12:12:47 PM EST
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What I SAY IS IRRELEVANT (none / 0)

Impeachment requires EVIDENCE. It doesn't require belief in Bush's badness, the tooth fairy or anything else.

Who the FUCK cares about what we BELIEVE! You may find this hard to fathom, but VERY FEW PEOPLE. Rather, it matters what EVIDENCE - pieces of paper or computer records with naughty illegal information - can be procured.

And, you will be shocked at this, Congress will be able to procure VERY LITTLE. Bush will stall with "Executive Privelege" out the wazoo. Every single request will be stone-walled, and will go thru the appelate court, and the superior court and the SC, where the CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY will side with BUSH.

What's the point here? We control Congress. That's pretty important.

My offer of a $500 wager remains open. If you are so confident of impeachment, let's wager.

Terms: NO IMPEACHMENT WILL BE VOTED OUT OF THE HOUSE AND NO VOTE WILL BE TAKEN IN THE SENATE.
If you win, I send $500 to the Democratic candidate of your choice, although I reserve the right of veto about your first choice.
If I win, you send $500 to the Democratic candidate of your choice, although you reserve the right of veto about my first choice.

It ain't gonna happen. In the real world that we all live in, many things that are RIGHT, JUST and TRUE do not happen. Impeachment is one of these.

by dataguy on Wed Dec 20th, 2006 at 02:07:19 PM EST
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Re: What I SAY IS IRRELEVANT (none / 0)

What would you consider evidence?

Maybe you have a different definition than most of us.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 03:08:18 PM EST
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