Booman Tribune ~ Comments ~ Impeachment: It's What We Need

Gift Cards * New Arrivals

NOTE: Overstock bests Amazon's prices and is "blue."

THE BOOKS WITH "BUZZ":
______________

Senator Edward M. Kennedy tells his extraordinary personal story:

True Compass: A Memoir
by Edward M. Kennedy.

Read Barack Obama's vision for America:

The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream
by Barack Obama

Boran2 and maryb2004 recommend:

The Big Over Easy: A Nursery Crime
by Jasper Fforde

Must-have information for all presidents-and citizens-of the twenty-first century?

Physics for Future Presidents: The Science behind the Headlines
Richard A. Muller

rae recommends:

Dark Ages America: The Final Phase of Empire
by Morris Berman.

On BooMan’s shelf:

Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln
by Doris Kearns Goodwin

This looks interesting:

Adventure Divas
by Holly Morris

Here’s a good one from
Elizabeth Gilbert:

Eat Pray Love
by Elizabeth Gilbert

"Crash" * Best Motion Picture, Academy Awards * Only $11.79 at Overstock * 2006 SAG Winner, Best Ensemble

Check out
Powell's new section:
NEW FAVORITES
Selected new arrivals at 30% off

Recommended by Indianadem and ejmw:
The Conscience of a Liberal
by Paul Wellstone

From northcountry’s bookshelf:

The New Golden Age:
The Coming Revolution Against
Political Corruption and Economic Chaos by Ravi Batra

A novel about contractors in Iraq from the woman that runs The Spy That Billed Me:

Outsourced: A Novel
from RJ Hillhouse.

Great Deals
----- * ^ * -----

Find mystery novels by Nancy Pickard ("Kansas")

Challenging Empire: How People, Governments, and the UN Defy US Power by Phyllis Bennis (interviewed on DN!)

Featured by Keith Olbermann, New (Powell's Sale): Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower by William Blum (whose other books merit serious consideration)

"Explosive" State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration
by James Risen

The book the CIA doesn't want you to read: Jawbreaker: The Attack on Bin Laden and Al Qaeda: A Personal Account by the CIA's Key Field Commander
Larry Johnson's review

BT's all-time best seller:

PERMACULTURE:
A Designers' Manual
$79.95 * Sale: $59.95

Unequal Sisters: A Multicultural Reader in U.S. Women's History (Third Edition)

The Undercover Economist: Exposing Why the Rich Are Rich, the Poor Are Poor And Why You Can Never Buy a Decent Used Car!

The Worst Hard Time: The Untold Story of Those Who Survived the Great American Dust Bowl
by Timothy Egan

Green Press Initiative
----- * ^ * -----

Journalistas: 100 Years of the Best Writing and Reporting by Women Journalists by Eleanor Mills * NYT review

Bury Me Standing: the Gypsies & Their Journey

1491: New Revelations of the Americas before Columbus

Brokeback Mountain
by Annie Proulx
----- * ^ * -----
Check out Powell's
"At The Movies"

Imperial Ambitions: Conversations on the Post-9/11 World by Noam Chomsky (Power & Terror: Post 9-11 Talks)

The Price of Privilege:

How Parental Pressure and
Material Advantage Are Creating a Generation of
Disconnected and Unhappy Kids
by Madeline Levine

Save 35-70% on
name brand clothing,
footwear, and outdoor gear
at SierraTradingPost.com
:

We listened to PEN American Center's "State of Emergency" and found 1940s books by Curzio Malaparte only at Alibris. (Selection (MP3) excerpted from "The Skin.")

Banned Books * Are you a fan of Film Noir, Art House, Documentaries or Hong Kong Action? * Searching for a long-lost children's book or a first printing of Miles Davis' Kind of Blue on vinyl? Find it at Alibris!

:
:

Impeachment: It's What We Need | 61 comments (61 topical, editorial, 1 hidden)

Re: American voters want action, not impeachment (none / 0)

you keep saying that but where in my argument do I say anything about revenge?

by BooMan on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 05:48:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Revenge (none / 0)

You have no evidence. You have nothing but inchoate longings.

I too would like Bush to be impeached. I realize that IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

Ponder two facts:

1) In 2001 or so, Dick Cheney convened a task force. This energy task force had a secret list of attendees. Since that time, progressives have tried to find the names of the members of that task force. Recently, the SC agreed that the list of attendees was protected by executive priveledge.

Question: If we can't get the list of members of this task force, how could we get important stuff, like EVIDENCE of impeachable offenses?

2) Bush has appointed Alito and Roberts to the SC. These are both even more agreeable to the strong executive model of Bush.

Question: With the SC constituted as currently, how can the more aggresive arguments required to get impeachable evidence?

The answer to both of these questions is "We can't".

Get over this impeachable stuff. Bush is ALREADY convicted in history of impeachable offenses.

We want the WH in 2008.

We want 60 in the Senate.

We want 260 in the House.

Impeachment stops all this for a useless, fruitless, ultimately undoable and UNPOPULAR exercize in revenge.
It won't help, it won't do anything, and it will not advance the progressive agenda.

by dataguy on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 06:15:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Revenge (none / 0)

Dataguy - you're the one who has no evidence.

When the Republicans set about to impeach Clinton - what did that do? Fired up their base. They had great turnout. If you believe the numbers, they even won. And that was on a totally bogus stretch of what impeachment is there for.

So what's your evidence we'd lose in 2008?

Second, what's your evidence that we can get anything done that will STICK? If we put forward a progressive agenda, we might still lose anyway in 2008 because the Republicans will be unified and angry.

Where's your evidence that anything you say has any merit?

Hey, what's good for the goose, and all that.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 07:00:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Revenge (2.00 / 2)

"What's good for the goose"

That is the revenge statement.

Face facts. You want to get the repubs for what they did to clinton. A natural human reaction.

Political death.

by dataguy on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 07:13:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Revenge (none / 0)

Are you a troll? You're not logical, you seem to only want to come here and talk us out of impeachment, but offer no substance to your arguments.

It's a fair question. Of course, if you are a troll, I couldn't expect a fair answer now, could I?

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 07:20:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

A troll is (none / 1)

someone who is a republican.

Someone who disagrees with you is not a troll. They are just someone who disagrees.

by dataguy on Fri Dec 22nd, 2006 at 07:44:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A troll is (none / 1)

A troll is also someone who can't carry an argument without resorting to a personal attack, as you did when you asked if I was on drugs.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Fri Dec 22nd, 2006 at 09:53:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Revenge (none / 0)

Every point you make is "Look at Clinton."

That translates as "They got Clinton, and we'll get Bush."

It's revenge.

by dataguy on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 07:12:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Revenge (none / 0)

No - you missed my point entirely. YOU are the one looking at Clinton. My point is that Nixon is the model - NOT Clinton.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 07:19:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Revenge (none / 0)

And re your point #1 - hello, with Democrats controlling the judiciary, we should be able to get those documents. If they refuse, that's an impeachable offense right there - obstruction of justice. This gets really easy if they refuse. If they do turn over the docs, isn't your argument moot?

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 07:01:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It took 4 years for a HEARING (none / 0)

HELLOOOO!! It took 4 years to get the case about the Task Force to the SC.

We have two years.

Impeachment is just a huge pipe dream.

Every year, there are murder cases. These cases are tried by people who want to make the murderer pay. But, you know who does pay? The county residents. It can cost $500,000 to try a murder case. So, what to do? Plea bargain. Court cases are WAY too expensive.

It's the same here. The COST of impeachment is WAAAAYYYY TOOOOO HIGH. I want ACCOMPLISHMENT, not REVENGE.

We would pay for impeachment by 1) getting nothing else done 2) losing Congress 3) losing the WH. These are the costs of impeachment and they are way too high.

In politics, you are either looking forward, or you are looking back. I am looking forward. You are looking back. The American people want forward-looking ideas and politicians. You do impeachment, you are those Bush-hating, revenge-seeking, no-ideas Democrats. That's not me. Is that you?

Let's get at Bush by hamstringing him.

by dataguy on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 07:10:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It took 4 years for a HEARING (none / 0)

Hello! Four years under REPUBLICAN RULE.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 07:20:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Revenge (none / 0)

And re your point #2, if the evidence is clearly presented to the American public as well as the SC, and the SC refuses to budge, that could generate a revolution in this country. Seriously. People might actually take to the streets. We should have when the SC decided the vote in 2000. I don't think the people will sit around if the SC screws us again. Fool us once, shame on them. Fool us twice? Shame on us.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 07:03:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We do want investigations and oversight (none / 0)

That's what should be done. Very aggressive oversight and very aggressive investigations.

Tie up Bush and his minions in investigations.

Pass legislation which Bush hates but which the American people like.

In the next two years, we set the table. We use the 2008 elections to gain a mandate. In 2008, we gain the WH, retain the Senate and the House, and then do what is needed to be done. That's what I want. You can have that, or you can have impeachment. You just can't have both.

by dataguy on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 06:19:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: We do want investigations and oversight (none / 0)

Senator Boxer made it clear when she spoke on this issue last year that this was NOT a zero sum game, that we could, legally and conceptually, go after Bush AND Cheney AND still get some good legislation passed.

You tell us it's either or. But someone in a position to know says that's not true. Whom should we believe?

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Dec 21st, 2006 at 07:05:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Impeachment: It's What We Need | 61 comments (61 topical, 0 editorial, 1 hidden)

. Home
. About
. Contact
. Advertise
. FAQ
. Search

Username:
Password:

. Make a new account
. Reset password

Recommended Diaries

Saturday Sports: Basketball? No... The House of...
by btchakir - Mar 20

Friday Foto Flogging
by AndiF - Mar 19
73 comments

Israel thumbs its nose at Obama, again
by shergald - Mar 18
14 comments

Will Bloggers Rescue the Lehman Story?
by danps - Mar 20
1 comment

Saturday Painting Palooza Vol.241
by boran2 - Mar 20
4 comments

Thursday Dog Bog (with Toy Box)
by keres - Mar 18
16 comments

US General: Dutch Gays in Military to Blame for Massacre...
by Oui - Mar 19
7 comments

Senate Races Without a Democratic Candidate Yet
by Senate Guru - Mar 16

Recommended World Diaries

Thursday Dog Bog (with Toy Box)
by keres (AU) - Mar 18
16 comments

US General: Dutch Gays in Military to Blame for Massacre...
by Oui (NL) - Mar 19
7 comments

"Sic Semper Tyrannis"
by Oui (NL) - Mar 18
1 comment

Recent Diaries

Saturday Sports: Basketball? No... The House of...
by btchakir - Mar 20

Will Bloggers Rescue the Lehman Story?
by danps - Mar 20
1 comment

Meet Shayna Bailey, Slow Food International
by borderjumpers - Mar 20

Saturday Painting Palooza Vol.241
by boran2 - Mar 20
4 comments

Getting Water to Crops
by borderjumpers - Mar 19

Friday Foto Flogging
by AndiF - Mar 19
73 comments

US General: Dutch Gays in Military to Blame for Massacre...
by Oui - Mar 19
7 comments

"Sic Semper Tyrannis"
by Oui - Mar 18
1 comment

Israel thumbs its nose at Obama, again
by shergald - Mar 18
14 comments

Innovation of the Week: Providing an Agricultural Answer to...
by borderjumpers - Mar 18

Thursday Dog Bog (with Toy Box)
by keres - Mar 18
16 comments

Juan Cole avenges former IDF Corporal Jeffrey Goldberg
by shergald - Mar 17
2 comments

1,000 Words About Uganda
by borderjumpers - Mar 17

It's Just A Kiss
by Forgiven - Mar 16

Senate Races Without a Democratic Candidate Yet
by Senate Guru - Mar 16

Creating Game Plans for Investment and Policy to Improve Food ...
by borderjumpers - Mar 16

1,000 Words About Zimbabwe
by borderjumpers - Mar 15
2 comments

Journalistic Standards of the Progressive Media
by rootless2 - Mar 15

AIPAC Calls Spat a Distraction from Iran
by Oui - Mar 15
16 comments

Pentagon Official Ran Private AfPak Spy Network
by Oui - Mar 15
7 comments

More Diaries...

Booman Tribune Homepage
admin@boomantribune.com
powered by Scoop

More blogs about Blogs at Technorati.

Technorati Profile