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Dataveillance: Creating a reason to investigate you | 68 comments (68 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Dataveillance (4.00 / 3)

Absolutely, but when I say it people want to put a tinfoil hat on me

;)

The administration isn't catching terrorists or preventing attacks with these programs.

There are very few credible threat or at least there were before BushCo started creating more. Still there are far, far fewer than most politicians refer to.

They're spending untold billions of dollars to eavesdrop, monitor, store data and harass innocent Americans whose sole "crime" is to remain critical of the administration - in a lawful, peaceful way.

Because we are the threat perceived by this administration. It goes further though with the ones in power now because they have such a diverse amount of activities to protest against or reveal.

It looks like the current threat manufactured for manipulation is the elf/alf and environmental, animal rights and associated groups.

The main intent of my diary is for people to realize that the accusation/threat can be built around the individual based on what criteria is used from all data that is retained as routine.

by rumi on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 01:42:33 PM EST
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Re: Dataveillance (4.00 / 2)

OK, I may need to be more specific, after all. First, go read this.

One of my roommates at the time was a VVAW member, and John Kniffin visited our house several times, as did other VVAW members. During the time before the trial, I twice opened my front door to find a pair of FBI agents on my porch. Note from your reading above, that the entire incident for which they were indicted was the result of actions by an FBI plant in the VVAW.

The Southern Regional assistant coordinator of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, William 'Bill' Lemmer, revealed himself as an undercover FBI operative in May of 1972. During the 1973 trial it was revealed that the VVAW had been infiltrated by government agents and informants, such as Emmerson Poe and Lemmer.

The charge in question on my credit card was not for a lamp ordered from Belgium or some such. It was to an airline in a middle eastern country. I have had my credit card stolen out of my purse twice. Both times there was a little flurry of charges in the hours after the theft in stores around town. Ordinary crooks know how it works - the card will be cancelled as soon as the theft is discovered. But this time . . . my card was not physically stolen, and this was the only unauthorized charge. It smells very fishy.

You may think that I need to go to the store and purchase more tin foil. But I've been a little too close to this kind of thing before.

"If you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear" seems naive to me. Or that they will restrict themselves to elf/alf types. That may be where it starts, but it will probably not be where it ends. I know that innocent people who disagree with government policies can be set up. It's happened before. Here, in America. In my lifetime.

Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a carpenter to build one. - Sam Rayburn

by Janet Strange (jstrange1925athotmaildotcom) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 07:00:32 PM EST
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Re: Dataveillance (none / 0)

I believe that sometimes they pick the groups for different reasons, sometimes the individuals are chosen from results of datamining and other times they are covering up activities from long ago. This comment speculation applies to the BushCo crew in charge right now.

There are several well documented instances of how the trail is created in advance, sadly, such as the apparently insignificant minor purchases that could identify a location or build an identifiable trail to be used later. This is what catches my attention in so many other cases that share the similarity.

Without making it public here, do you have all of those theft reports/incidents documented and other proof that you didn't make those purchases?

Hey, does this tie in to the fiasco of what happened to Kerry's campaign and claims of some 1971 meeting a list? 2 more names came up from that and are similar.

by rumi on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 08:15:58 PM EST
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Re: Dataveillance (none / 1)

Do you remember this lawsuit Lemmer brought for libel in 82 or so and lost? Really interesting insight into that person.

The same people today are so often the same ones from 30 years ago, like they're settling nonexistent scores-grudges, or keeping peaceful people quiet over their own paranoia.

One case after another of the post 9/11 prosecutions has vhardly any credible evidence of terr threat but instead connections that go back to previous GOP admins.

link

by rumi on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 08:32:27 PM EST
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