One point I try to stress that gets lost is that the same ones in power now as before Bush family, Cheney, Rumsfeld... are not representative of either party. Their influence is more similar to an org crime network based on the facade of national interests. This is what the dems need to break down and break apart permanently. It disseminates as patriotism...Ollie North laying a tear-jerker story on Fox News while the actual illicit activity is long forgotten. We are suffering their plans now because they were allowed to slip into the private sector last time.

  The similarities I saw are the same manipulations by think tank (r/w) funded flunkies and propaganda press outlets actually brainwashing the public. The same ones before, or barely seperated from the same, came back to hurt Kerry for criminal political gain and that also allowed them to hurt their veteran brothers in the process. I can't see the SBV as intense patriots but as manipulators.

  The intel agencies have been fighting these guys since they first came around and the Bush/Cheney crew has pretty well destroyed that service. How did the good people in those agencies allow that to happen? I don't think this story is more than half over yet and if what I wrote earlier in this comment is true, then everything is moving as it should. Trouble is, there's no way to know and waiting for the outcome isn't an option. I'm not suggesting anything radical of course, just keeping on with what we're doing.

  Want a coincidence?

The timing of the report indicating criminal spying and computer file theft by rep aides of dem judicial committee members and the attacks on Kerry are parallel to the Watergate revelation and the setting up of the Gainesville 8. There are some name coincidences too along with funders of propaganda publications.

  It's almost genius that the pattern of deceptive schemes are so bizarre that normal people automatically call them conspiracy theory when it's mentioned.

It's as though the more brazen they are the better defense they receive when the truth would be so crazy it couldn't be believed to be true, right?