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Well, that is disputed.  The Shaheed concept in Islam is actively sought amongst the "holy warriors" and suicide bombers.  Even in early Christian times and as I have mentioned amongst some fundamentalists this concept of martyrdom is perhaps an acceptable norm.  But amongst most Christians this is not a concept that is pursued with vigour.    

Just to be clear, we are also sticking up for his right to give his life as a testament to his faith-Christianity, right?

Yes, many people would fight for what they believe in, but they don't do this with death in mind as you seemed to imply.  This case is about him being allowed to keep his faith as is his birth right and the intolerance of these clerics denying him that right and not him actively choosing to die.  The alternative of death is forced upon him by people outside him.

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by Gjermun E Jansen (gjans1@hotmail.com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 07:44:48 AM EST
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I have stated several times that death was/is not an objective of pursuing faith but a consequence for refusing to renounce it. There is honor found in living a life true to the faith which insures life after death for those who believe. Physical death is not the end.

  The crimes of oppression by legal authority are another issue and I agree with most of what you've said about that. Still, if we are to be consistent in freedom to worship by choice, we have to recognize the individual's right to choose martyrdom. If not, we are demanding others to live as we choose for them to live.

by rumi on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 08:02:46 AM EST
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Well, in my opinion, this has nothing to do with choice, but all to do with intolerance that is why I can not see the relevance of you putting forward the choice of martyrdom in this debate.  

We seem to be in partial agreement here and that is in agreement over the crimes of oppression and a further debate seems futile since we seem to be in disagreement over who is responsible for this mans unfortunate situation and possible demise.


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by Gjermun E Jansen (gjans1@hotmail.com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 08:26:46 AM EST
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Just to add, you seem to imply that martyrdom is actively pursued by stating;

Still, if we are to be consistent in freedom to worship by choice, we have to recognize the individual's right to choose martyrdom.

Choice is a rational behaviour and is actively pursued. The precondition for choice is freedom and this man is not free to choose.  If something is forced upon you are not subjected to the concept of choice, but only to accept your fate.  That is a big difference.
 

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by Gjermun E Jansen (gjans1@hotmail.com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 08:37:59 AM EST
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This man converted to Christianity 16 years ago. He left Afghanistan because of the Taliban rule. He's said to have returned in 2002 when the Taliban rule was removed. He had been turned in by his family. He was arrested, in part, because he carried a Bible to a court appointment.

  He seemed to be aware of the dangers in his claiming Christianity as his faith. In awareness of these dangers, he still increased his risks of persecution.

  He is now in a situation where his life could be spared by renouncing Christianity. He refuses to do that, so he essentially is choosing death(martyrdom) over life.

by rumi on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 08:58:11 AM EST
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As I have said before when someone is presented a fait accompli they have not chosen their fate.  The fact that this man waited until the Taliban was ousted before returning to Afghanistan shows that he indeed was aware of the danger.  Still, he misjudged his family and the new regime by deeming them more tolerant than the Taliban regime and now has to pay the ultimate price for his faulty judgement.    

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by Gjermun E Jansen (gjans1@hotmail.com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 09:10:11 AM EST
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  If a society is governed by flawed laws, where is the responsibility placed for that law's existence? If it's enacted in a free society by the will or acceptance of the people, is it our place to demand that it be changed if we disagree with it? How should that change be initiated? Isn't there an inherent respect for the rule of law, even if it's flawed law?

by rumi on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 09:23:28 AM EST
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Well, if you are a cultural relativist that might be the right interpretation, but if you believe in the universality of Human Rights and the right to life for every human being then you will champion those rights where ever and when ever they are violated.  There are, in my opinion, certain rights and values that are sacred no matter what and worth defending, even by force if necessary.  

If a society is governed by flawed laws, where is the responsibility placed for that law's existence?

The responsibilities for flawed laws are on the shoulders of those who made them and those who forcefully uphold them.  

If it's enacted in a free society by the will or acceptance of the people, is it our place to demand that it be changed if we disagree with it?

Well if the laws are enacted in a "free" society by the will of the people as you say, I still have the right to oppose them and fight them whenever I can, as everyone else.  Still, in my opinion, faulty laws are made in dysfunctional societies and Afghanistan is not a well functional society at the moment with a highly educated population.  To be able to understand the concept of and the universality of Human Rights and deem it an improvement of traditional ways, you have to have a certain level of education.

Hitler was elected by about 30 percent of the people that went to the polls, and I would still argue that the result was disastrous and had to be fought, even, as was the case, by force.

How should that change be initiated?

It ought to be changed by education and encouraging the teaching of tolerance in schools and cultural centres.  But now and then, when everything else fails and a faulty system are about to impose its views on a whole region or nation, the only option left to defend your values and your way of life, is by armed struggle, like in WWII.  

WWII was a fight between two different systems, one that emphasised the right to might, the championing of violence and the survival of the fittest and the other that emphasised the unbreakable basic rights of every human being and their right to life.  

Isn't there an inherent respect for the rule of law, even if it's flawed law?    

No, if the rule of law is the law of authoritarianism then there is no rule of law only the rules of the elite in power.  People could have respected Nazi Germany's laws or the laws of Saddam's Iraq, but they didn't, they only feared them and that is a big difference.  Fear is not respect.      

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by Gjermun E Jansen (gjans1@hotmail.com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 10:18:52 AM EST
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Well, if you are a cultural relativist that might be the right interpretation, but if you believe in the universality of Human Rights and the right to life for every human being then you will champion those rights where ever and when ever they are violated.  There are, in my opinion, certain rights and values that are sacred no matter what and worth defending, even by force if necessary.  

  We can take these one at a time, beginning with this one.

  Are you saying we should ban abortion, the death penalty and war?

by rumi on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 10:35:56 AM EST
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  Are you saying we should ban abortion, the death penalty and war?

This is very much off topic and has nothing to do with the article above; anyhow here are my views on the topics you have mentioned.

Abortion is very much about the rights of the women, the right to decide over their own body, a fundamental right in my opinion and the right to chose whether they feel capable of providing for that child at the moment.  If not, then it would be a great injustice to both mother and child if the child is born.

Abortion is never an easy choice for the mother and other persons involved, but as stated above, abortion is basically about the women's right to decide over her own body and is thus very much a Human Rights issue.

The death penalty is also about people's right to their own life.  Basically, no one have the right or the authority to take the life away from a human being.  You are allowed by law to defend yourself, but that does not mean you are granted the right to take some ones life, only that you are allowed to defend your own and if that ultimately means the death of some one else then you are in your right because you defended your own life and maybe prevented others from being taken in the process.  In this case the rule of law is abolished, by the perpetrator, and thus you have no other alternative than fight or flight.  

In peacetime the rule of law is usually functioning and thus the society is in control.  The perpetrator or the violator are not in control when incarcerated and thus are at the mercy of the State.  That is why there is no need for the death penalty other than for revenge, which I can not defend when it comes to taking life.  

Another strong argument against the death penalty is the fact that you might send the wrong man or women to the death chamber and thus kill an innocent human being.  If the perpetrator is imprisoned then a fault can be corrected, not so with the death penalty.  

In a situation of chaos and war, with no State to protect you from abuse and the rule of law has broken down, I have to admit I am more in doubt.      

It would of course be preferable if every one agreed to ban War, but this is in an ideal world and most of us know that we are not living in an ideal world.  That is why I am not a pacifist, but the use of force should only be applied as a defensive measure and when everything else is tried and to no avail.

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by Gjermun E Jansen (gjans1@hotmail.com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 11:33:18 AM EST
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Again, I agree with the reasoning in your comment and I'm almost in complete agreement with the same beliefs. A few minor details may differ but don't change the position.

I think the spot where we have trouble reconciling all of this is just a matter of balance. This is an area of necessary compromise based on factors specific to each situation. We need to balance the recognition of another's culture that we disagree with and the responsibility to effect change to egregious human rights violations. In some cases, the basic freedoms of choice also come into play, balanced with the responsibility of an (injured) individual to respect his governing laws.

  My concern is that we are also capable of defining which rights are the correct ones based on our own preferences and not respecting the rights of others to choose their own.

  It's a great conversation with you and I appreciate your opinions and understanding. I think we are more aligned than some of the exchange portrays... basic human rights first.

by rumi on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 11:57:51 AM EST
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basic human rights first.

Well, I am in total agreement with you here and thank you for a fruitful exchange of views.  According to your comment above it seems as if we are in disagreement over minor political nuances and not over major principles and values and thus are in agreement over the most important things.    

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by Gjermun E Jansen (gjans1@hotmail.com) on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 12:48:57 PM EST
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