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Early Sunday Morning Loyalty Bashing | 8 comments (8 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Early Sunday Morning Loyalty Bashing (none / 0)

Yeah, I had suspected this would be where you and me would have to split the sheets in terms of political theory.

In my view, there's never an acceptable excuse to turn entire classes of people into property for use by the State and the citizens it deems non-property, and it really doesn't matter how many white guys are inconvenienced by that. It can't be justified. It can't be rationalized. It was not only wrong, it was actually also a bad move tactically, since 20-20 hindsight affords us clear proof that societies with greater social equality have massive advantages over societies with less, and that ideas about social equality can be radically changed in a single generation.

I'm not "indignant" with the FFs, btw; I just think they weren't right about everything and that they had a few really fucked up ideas. I don't criminalize them, but I don't idolize them either. I respect some of what they did and think it should be emulated; I reject other things they did and think we should pay better attention such that we don't make what amount to the same damn mistakes all over again. Panicking because we're in a crisis just leads to more bad choices.

You & I do share ideals to an extent, but it does seem to me that you often misread where I'm coming from, and I'm not sure why. I wonder if you have some inaccurate ideas about "what feminists think" or "how feminists are" that cause you to read what I'm saying to you through a lens that doesn't really apply to me? (I realize that you can't answer this question since if the answer is "yes" you wouldn't know it, so I don't expect you to answer it, it's just a muse.)

by IndyLib on Sun Mar 26th, 2006 at 11:35:23 AM EST
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Re: Early Sunday Morning Loyalty Bashing (none / 0)

I doubt I am misreading you because of some preconception I have. I know you don't consider yourself a Democrat, but that is the only preconception I have.

In this case, I am not disagreeing with you, but just stating my point of view.

People talk about the three-fifths compromise as if it were intended to diminish blacks and call them less than fully human.

But that was not the intent at all. No one seriously considered giving slaves the vote, but they were granted representation in a sense. At least in broad terms, the interests of the states in which they resided were given extra representation. That was a concession to appease opposition tothe two senator rule. Little states like Delaware and Rhode Island were felt to have too much power in the Senate.

In other words, the northern founding fathers, and even some of slave holders like Jefferson, may have wanted to abolish slavery, but they had no way of doing that while forging a nation out of rival states.

Far more important, and feasible, was their accomplishment of outlawing the religious test, so that Virginia and Massachusetts and Pennsylvania could join in a united government, despite their differing dominant sects.

They gave us the first fruits of liberty and a strong enough system to survive civil war, and over two hundred years of strife.

I am eternally grateful.

by BooMan on Sun Mar 26th, 2006 at 12:11:03 PM EST
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