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Meeting with Gov. Warner | 86 comments (86 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Opposite response (4.00 / 2)

The DLC has always been right-wing in that way. It's their entire reason for being--push the party to the right and win the presidency. Right now, they are holding on for dear life their status as presidential weigh station, even though they are really the High Church of Clintonism, since he was their biggest and only success.

Of course, that stupidly ignores getting the Congress back. All they care about is winning the presidency. No Conyers or Murtha or Boxer or Feingold to worry about. It's also why they oppose the 50 state strategy--because it's all about '08. Actually build up state parties? Only if they will vote for a Democratic president. Which of course,can't happen if you don't build up the party on the local and state level.

How counterproductive, and quite frankly, how friggin' lazy!

Anyway, IMO, Mark Warner is a DLC type in the same way that Howard Dean was. I recall lots of people saying that Dean wasn't really a liberal--well no kidding! But what set him apart from everyone else is that he looked at how we went to war and said then what mainstream folks are saying now (sheepishly, b/c of course, they all knew better): this is stupid. And for that, he was branded a pacifist. Not that this is a bad thing, but that's not what he was, then or now.

What I'll be interested in is Warner's view on trade. Now that he's no longer in office in Va., where will he come down? He won in part because he paid attention to areas hit with severe economic distress ignored by Happy Gilmore (my nickname for Warner's predecessor). This was the 90s after all...everyone was doing well, right?

My pre-caffeinated thoughts. Sorry they are a jumble.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Fri May 19th, 2006 at 08:43:47 AM EST
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Re: Opposite response (none / 1)

The other difference between Dean and the DLC is that he wanted to bring citizens into the political process and not just continue to let the corporate world provide funding and therefore call the shots. I would need to know more about Warner's alleigance to this part of the DLC before I could even think about supporting him.

Doesn't information itself have a liberal bias? Steven Colbert

by NLinStPaul on Fri May 19th, 2006 at 09:20:09 AM EST
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Re: Opposite response (none / 1)

Fair enough.

I didn't even look Dean's way because I knew he was DLC. I read about him in their house organ. And when I did think about him, I thought, Why is this guy from Vermont running for president? The DLC has more than enough representatives.

But then I saw the man was getting hundreds, even thousands of people at rallies...WAY before "real people" were supposed to be paying attention. And once I listened to him, I was hooked. Not so sure Warner can pull that off.

He's got enough of a job to differentiate himself from Clinton/Bayh/Vilsack set without being a John Edwards clone (southern boy who was first in his family to go to college getting rich but not forgetting where he came from--they both have that story in common).

And, completely OT--hopefully, Diane Sawyer (or is that Mrs. Nichols?) won't be confused about his wife since she kept her last name. If people didn't go nuts about in Va., can this please be a non-issue next time?

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Fri May 19th, 2006 at 10:35:04 AM EST
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Re: Opposite response (none / 1)

Oh let me respond to this. The difference between Dean and Warner, and it is a Grand Canyon difference, is that Dean went everywhere and worked from minute one for common cause.

Dean's power, back then, was that he ''folded the left in first''.

Warner has already distanced himself from any but the "moderate middle". I wish him luck.

He/Warner handled his toe in the water trip to San Francisco very badly a few months ago. And did an LAT op/ed to take a public hot shower.

And what is more, he still whines about that trip.

I got the message: Only for some of the people. And ran like a bunny. Lest he catch some communicable disease. Rather at variance wtih the mantra of Jarding (who I like - and Jarding was one reason I had been willing to look at Warner).

He forgets, we are Americans out here, voters. And what is more, deep pockets.

The DLC insists they don't need anything, nationally, but the ever righward migrating ''middle''. It does not work. But despite all the soft talk that their power is failing, I would differ. A party at full drift will latch on to anything. The entire line up of hopefuls is official DLC, but for Russ Feingold.

And I had planned, back in '04, in 2004, as he burbled like a baby in his pol's crib, to take a look at him.

It is my take he is running for the Edwards' spot. Veepessa in a Hillary run.

LOL... I wish him luck.

Marisacat

by Marisacat (Marisacat@aol.com) on Fri May 19th, 2006 at 12:38:02 PM EST
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Re: Opposite response (none / 0)

Hey, hey, Marisa. Long time no type, I know. How's it going. And yes, I've been to your new site.

How will I ever get any work done???? And I have a shitload of it.

Anyway, do tell me more about the SF trip. You'd think he'd be comfy at least with some segments since he speaks tech (IOW, familiar w/ their issues, etc.).

It is my take he is running for the Edwards' spot. And he can't do that and be successful. Being more progressive would distinguish him from the pack.

Not to mention, save the country.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Fri May 19th, 2006 at 12:50:09 PM EST
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I am sorry to say he is (none / 0)

just "one more".

You can google for his trip, he loves to bring it up to solidify his congealing "moderate" cred. LOL funny I always hear "white" when he pulls that stuff out of his pockets... And I think the LAT op ed is still accessible.

IIRC one of the parties at the dinner that night, and mind you it was one lousy fucking dinner that he ran from... was Susie Tompkins Buell. Of the old Esprit corp. I think from her alone about 1 to 2 million a year, straight to Democratic candidates and groups. For years.

Should money determine all? No, but it should still mean your money, your vote and your interest, is as good as anyone else's.

I get that ''old timey'' whiff off Mr Warner, he prefers the South. And for several reasons. IT does not truly challenge him.

I am open to the South having spent much time there thru out my life, but they have to prove a lot, too.

by Marisacat (Marisacat@aol.com) on Fri May 19th, 2006 at 01:55:23 PM EST
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Re: Opposite response (none / 0)

Hey Marisa, not sure which of Governor Warner's trips to California you're panning but I assume you're basing your info on the Matt Bai story in the NYTimes Magazine. That's a pretty limited view.
Governor Warner's taken several trips to California and gotten a good reception each time -- Dave Johnson of Seeing the Forest blogged one Warner event and Steve Soto of the Left Coaster has had good things (and some honest criticism) of Warner.
He was a guest at a fundraiser for Francine Busby on one stop as well. Judy Ki and Dr. Ellin Lieberman, two local activists working on the Busby race, both had good things to say about Warner and wrote "testimonials" on the Forward Together blog.
Governor Warner will be headed back to California soon -- he's not writing anyone off -- the 50 State Strategy is what his Forward Together PAC is all about.

I work for Gov. Mark Warner's Forward Together PAC.

by Texas Nate (info AT forwardtogetherpac DOT com) on Fri May 19th, 2006 at 02:15:33 PM EST
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Re: Opposite response (none / 1)

Not California. San Francisco. I understand the effort you are making here, but as a native born San Franciscan, able to read widely:

I am not reliant on Matt Bai.

I also am able to discern "churn" writing that seeks to achieve a specific political end.

LOL My view is not limited, but, for your purposes, it is not pro-Warner.

He does miss the full bore of "national". And he has used the SF event, his reaction, to solidify "middle". The LAT op ed and his subsequent squeamish references to the SF event, are mostly rather sad.

Oddly enough, tho I read this entry at BMT I had not intended to comment. I observe the soft retail sites for the party, but rather decline to participate, esp as Mid-Terms approach. But some of the party tropes are just a bit silly... and demand some push back.

Marisacat

by Marisacat (Marisacat@aol.com) on Fri May 19th, 2006 at 02:33:45 PM EST
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Re: Opposite response (none / 0)

Just wanted to be sure you were getting a bigger picture -- your conclusions are your own.
Did you actually read any of the links I included, none of them are "churn" -- all independent bloggers or journalists, and Dave is from SF. The two testimonials from the Busby volunteers on our blog are in a different category of course.

I work for Gov. Mark Warner's Forward Together PAC.

by Texas Nate (info AT forwardtogetherpac DOT com) on Fri May 19th, 2006 at 04:16:02 PM EST
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Re: Opposite response (none / 0)

i took the 'churn' to refer to Bai's piece, but maybe I'm wrong.

by BooMan on Fri May 19th, 2006 at 05:27:23 PM EST
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Re: Opposite response (none / 0)

ah, that makes more sense.
Guess I need to get a new dictionary of political terms -- mine doesn't have "churn" in it.

: )

I work for Gov. Mark Warner's Forward Together PAC.

by Texas Nate (info AT forwardtogetherpac DOT com) on Fri May 19th, 2006 at 05:43:09 PM EST
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