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Floating in a Sea of Lukewarm Vaseline | 37 comments (37 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Where were all these anit-Casey folks (4.00 / 5)

when the great debate war was going on at KOS before the PA Dem primary?

I was fighting against Casey and not particularly for anyone else because of what is being said here and was was said in the "Greensooner's" diary. I had to wage war against all these DINO like posters who seemed to be trolls or at least were hell bent on painting women's rights issues as secondary to winning against Sanotrum at all cost. They could not see the passive agressive, longer term benefit of supporting women's freedoms, not to mention it is just the correct thing to do. Again, where were all these pro-women, anti-Casey folks back then???? Is it too late now, and what can/should we do?

by NG on Fri Jun 2nd, 2006 at 10:54:25 AM EST

Re: Where were all these anit-Casey folks (4.00 / 9)

To answer your question literally--Several of them can't comment there because they've been banned. Others of us don't go there much, if at all, because we left a long time ago, having been made to feel unwelcome by just the kind of attitude you were fighting against. Just because these women weren't there, however, doesn't mean they weren't elsewhere, in places where they felt they might actually do some good. If you felt you were waging a lonely battle, it's because a lot of people who would otherwise have supported you have been run off.

My Website

by kansas on Fri Jun 2nd, 2006 at 11:09:02 AM EST
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Re: Where were all these anti-Casey folks (4.00 / 7)

Thank you for this reply.

I am sad if such censorship has now gripped KOS because that is the first step to group think cheerleading which inevitably makes a site irrelevant. I saw this happen on other sites before the 2004 election, especially the "Kicking Ass" site over at the Dem party website.

The really sad, short term observation that I have made is that if the repubs want to go pro-life, and the centrist Dems will accept pro-life restrictions on women's freedoms, and NOW even a SUPPOSED progressive Mecca like KOS is willing to accept pro-life restrictions on women's freedoms, well I guess such restriction will happen. The longer term better news is that we might actually get to see if the passive-aggressive anti-social conservative response by the majority of women does materialize!

If (or really when) it does, it will then be a bloodbath by the spintered repub and splintered Dem party to try and regroup for political benefit. Compare that to how far ahead the Dem party would be then if the women's rights/fredoms issue had been inviolate all alone, and the likes of Reid and Casey were either not in our party or forced to change their positions for our support!

by NG on Fri Jun 2nd, 2006 at 11:25:53 AM EST
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Re: Where were all these anti-Casey folks (4.00 / 8)

that is the first step to group think cheerleading which inevitably makes a site irrelevant.

DK jumped that particular shark when Markos made DHinMI a FP poster.

by the other colleen on Fri Jun 2nd, 2006 at 02:08:50 PM EST
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Re: Where were all these anti-Casey folks (4.00 / 2)

calling that odious little man a "poster" is being too kind. He is the digital equivalent of a ward heeler, one of the ones who would threaten, beat or harrass ANYBODY who doesn't fall into line w/ the official line. He belongs on Little Green Footballs, NOT on any site that claims to be "progressive".

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott

by Madman in the Marketplace on Fri Jun 2nd, 2006 at 04:56:53 PM EST
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Re: Where were all these anti-Casey folks (4.00 / 2)

DK? Who's that?

;<)

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Fri Jun 2nd, 2006 at 06:45:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hi Darlin' (none / 0)

DK=Daily Kos

by the other colleen on Sat Jun 3rd, 2006 at 10:07:46 AM EST
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Hey Hunny! (none / 0)

(For the English teachers out there, this is my "warm greetings" spelling.)

Oh yeah--I definitely know that. "Who's DK?" is my official stance here because I'd rather not waste my time on little boys--and to not run afoul of the "don't be a prick" rule.

:)

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Sat Jun 3rd, 2006 at 05:41:16 PM EST
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Re: Where were all these anit-Casey folks (4.00 / 9)

Kansas' response is absolutely correct on all counts. I for one would rather do something pro-women in real life than get called names online at the big orange by people who are just too arrogant and full of themselves to hear what anyone else is saying anyway.

"Life is always better with clean pants."

by CabinGirl on Fri Jun 2nd, 2006 at 11:15:38 AM EST
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Re: Where were all these anit-Casey folks (4.00 / 7)

Where were all these anit-Casey folks when the great debate war was going on at KOS before the PA Dem primary?

Ah, let me answer this. The short answer is that Markos and DHinMI and his stable of self described hyenas have managed to ban or alienate most of the women and men participating in that thread. These are women who Plutonium Page refers to as "the Ann Coulters of the left" writing on "boob-man" when she's not embarassing everyone with the PP/Frank show or talking Polar bears.

by the other colleen on Fri Jun 2nd, 2006 at 02:05:44 PM EST
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Re: Where were all these anit-Casey folks (4.00 / 3)

I ws in a lot of those threads. The Casey V Pennachio threads. Til August 25 (I was banned on the 27th).

One reason I bothered is that

I read fast. God they were AWFUL threads. Disgusting.
I wanted to figure out who is and who is not an operative of the party or the various campaigns.

The Casey run is being done, at great cost, to change the face of the Democratic Party (10K from Hillpac about 3 months ago, loves her some conservative DINO, like salazar, her money was in early and in again late). And Dkos was/is the paid servant imo of that effort.

You bet I was there.

Marisacat

by Marisacat (Marisacat@aol.com) on Fri Jun 2nd, 2006 at 03:40:57 PM EST
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Re: Where were all these anit-Casey folks (4.00 / 2)

count me among the banned.

"Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life." - James Wolcott

by Madman in the Marketplace on Fri Jun 2nd, 2006 at 04:53:41 PM EST
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Re: Where were all these anit-Casey folks (4.00 / 4)

Many of us left after the pie wars when it became obvious that too many young men on that site were abysmally ignorant of women's fight for equality, and were happy to stay that way. Like hundreds of other feminists, I signed off, never to sign on again. If I want to be treated like a combination blow-up doll/cheerleader/handmaiden, I'll go argue with Republicans. I will not tolerate that crap from men who claim to be liberal/left/progressive/Democrats.

Women take a vehement stand when Democrats betray the ONLY issue politicians are still willing to discuss.

What other policies designed to lift women's extra burden ever appear in the public arena ?

Neither major party talks about universal childcare, SS benefits for women working as caretakers in the home, comparable worth, paid parental leave, proportional representation in Congress, inclusion of unpaid labour in the GDP, the horrific level of violence against women that goes largely unprosecuted, the fate of trafficed and prostituted women, federal witholding of child support,... you know, all the public policies that are the norm in civilized countries who don't spend their tax dollars on war.

I could go on and on about the things important to women that political leaders avoid like the plague, but if abortion is the only thing the Democrats will talk about, they damn well better not cave in to making us captive breeding stock.

"No one has the right to say `You do what I tell you, or I'll hurt you.'" - Monty Roberts

by susanw on Fri Jun 2nd, 2006 at 05:49:35 PM EST
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Re: Where were all these anit-Casey folks (4.00 / 2)

OK, so I'm about to my break my own rule about wasting my keystrokes about that other place, but...

...too many young men on that site...

You are being kind--very kind. If you are so pathetic that your very "manhood" shrinks because someone has the temerity to have an opinion about appropriate ads on an ostensibly important political site, then you have bigger problems than I care to pay attention to.

Never have I seen a bunch of weak-ass whiners. Suck it up already!

OK, now I go back to my rule. :)

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Fri Jun 2nd, 2006 at 06:55:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

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