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When Torture Isn't Good Enough | 38 comments (38 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Fair draft and rapists (4.00 / 2)

I 'm sure that the mothers and fathers of those who would be drafted and facing killing and death, will be greatly comforted by your theory that a widespread draft will force their leaders to waste their lives more judiciously.

Green Grass and High Tides Forever

by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Fri Jul 14th, 2006 at 04:59:53 PM EST
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Re: Fair draft and rapists (none / 0)

Are you as stunned as I am by this discussion? A discussion that even broader society considers to be so utterly repulsive that it has laws to stop actions such as the rounding up and killing of innocents? I just don't know what's become of humanity. I really don't. And I am so incensed that these ideas are even being put forth on this site that I must walk away. I simply can't bear this right now.

I have fears for humanity due to what's happening in the Middle East where who knows how many innocents will be slaughterd in the coming days and my nerves are raw. And then to walk into this...what has become of the value of life?

by catnip (llamg88 at hotmail.com) on Fri Jul 14th, 2006 at 05:11:32 PM EST
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Re: Fair draft and rapists (none / 1)

Yes and no.
Having your senses bombarded by one crime after another, one slide toward fascism after another...no. I guess I'm not so stunned that someone calling themselves a progressive would entertain the idea of an eye for an eye. Nothing really stuns me anymore Catnip. But I think you can see by the reaction to these ideas here that NG is clearly in a minority of one. If another steps forward to second these ideas, then I'll be worried. Otherwise it's a free speech zone, no?

Green Grass and High Tides Forever

by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Fri Jul 14th, 2006 at 05:19:51 PM EST
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Re: Fair draft and rapists (none / 0)

...and I realize that my stance could be seen as hypocritical or uneven after my reaction to some of the things that Thereisnospoon posted here. But the difference for me was that Spoon was a frontpager and therefore could be seen as more representative of the site as a whole.

Green Grass and High Tides Forever

by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Fri Jul 14th, 2006 at 05:25:41 PM EST
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free speech (none / 0)

it's a free speech zone, no?

It absolutely is, for most.

by catnip (llamg88 at hotmail.com) on Fri Jul 14th, 2006 at 05:35:32 PM EST
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I commend the author for his courage not only (none / 1)

in writing about the practice, but expressing the view that it is despicable, a view which I personally share.

And I commend those who have expressed similar views.

The relatively small number of replies, considering the subject matter, and the fact that it is on the front page, is interesting, but under the tragic circumstances, tragically understandable...

one man's conspiracy is another man's business plan
Blog updated as needed

by DuctapeFatwa (DuctapeFatwa@yahoo.com) on Fri Jul 14th, 2006 at 08:30:07 PM EST
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Re: Fair draft and rapists (none / 0)

The point is that these mothers and fathers would not vote for a war-like political party. Indeed, with a fair draft in place, it may well become political suicide to go to war unless the vast majority of the country is with you.

Just yelling about how distasteful you find something is not a solution to why it happened. I (and others)am proposing here a method that could prevent the irresponsible and illogical activities from happening again that we have seen under Bush, such activities largely being allowed in the first place because of the volunteer military and the free pass it has given to too many American families to turn off their brains IMO!

by NG on Fri Jul 14th, 2006 at 10:12:27 PM EST
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Re: Fair draft and rapists (none / 0)

Have you seen any evidence yet that this current government is at all concerned with what the people think of it? And my belief is that those mothers and fathers didn't vote for this war like party. Your scenario may, in the long run, bring more pressure to bear on the powers that be, but how many thousands would die needlessly in the interim? Vietnam went on for years, with the loss of 58,ooo American, and how many millions of Vietnamese lives before before the antiwar movement in this country really began to make any real difference in the way the government projected it's power. I don't know about you, but I'm not willing to risk the lives of thousands and maybe millions more as a test to see if Bush would eventually crack under the burden.

Green Grass and High Tides Forever

by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Sat Jul 15th, 2006 at 12:26:13 PM EST
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Re: Fair draft and rapists (none / 0)

The lessons learned from Vietnam from the people's perspective was that their government would lie and could not be trusted in "going to war" matters. Also learned by much of the population was that upper and middle income folks could avoid the draft while having the poorer kids die for the rich. Indeed Congress then became more and more skeptical about executive power after Vietnam and about a draft with too many easy deferments! Meanwhile, the conservatives learned a lesson that a fair draft would hinder their military options, so they were more than happy to see the draft end. Now they could buy a mercenary army that would be made up of befuddled and frustrated GI JOES and would be quiet on the family front!

The ending of the draft along with the unwritten requirement that the next draft would have to be fair, has allowed us to backslide to a pre-Vietnam mentality with the majority of the voters living again in a free-pass zone concerning their loved ones securities. Bottom line is that Vietnam re-enforces to me what I have written here, but we have been outsmarted by the conservatives who seem to know human nature a lot better than us liberals. I stand behind me statement that a permanent FAIR draft would prevent Iraq and Vietnam from being politically feasible!! Indeed, it may well be the only solution to such war-mongering.

by NG on Sat Jul 15th, 2006 at 12:42:52 PM EST
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