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Kucinich Excluded from Iowa Debate | 25 comments (25 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Kucinich Excluded from Iowa Debate (none / 1)

That's quite a leap of logic to go from no office space in Iowa to Kucinich is not serious about being President. I just don't follow it. Since Guiliani is "skipping" Iowa is he not serious about being President either?

There could be a very simple explanation for not renting office space. Maybe they thought spending money on rent when they could use someone's house rent free was wasting money. I don't know and you don't know either. You are right that Kucinich only has himself to blame though. For whatever reason, it was a mistake. I would like to know the whole story behind it.

But really, every candidate below 10% must realize he or she has a very slim chance of becoming President. Out of all the candidates it is a little telling that you pick Kucinich to call out as the one candidate that's in it for personal aggrandizement and not the right reasons. Every candidate running for President has a big head and most know that he don't have a shot of making it. Is Dodd really in it for the right reasons and Kucinich such a fraud that a progressive must switch his vote to Dodd right now? Or is it time to get behind Hillary yet? Is Hillary running for the right reasons?

If this is the best you could do to expose Kucinich as a fraud you better keep on trying.

by SFHawkguy on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 02:52:36 PM EST

Re: Kucinich Excluded from Iowa Debate (none / 0)

Even Alan Keyes has his shit together enough to qualify for the debate. How can use possibly argue that Kucinich is serious?

by BooMan on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 02:54:02 PM EST
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Re: Kucinich Excluded from Iowa Debate (none / 1)

Kucinich has made an effort. I don't follow campaigns enough to know all the gritty details, but Kucinich seems to be more engaged and active than say, Fred Thompson, Rudy Guiliani, and even someone like Dodd. I guess we would have to start comparing campaign event stops, voting records while campaigning, and other measures of time to truly compare.

Look, I don't blindly support Kucinich. His organizational skills may be lacking. Hell, if I was voting on organizational skills and tireless work ethic I would probably vote for Hillary. You raise a good point that Kucinich failed to get his shit together in Iowa. I'm open to you pointing that out.

But, you also said, "this is emblematic of my problem with Kucinich in general. He is saying many things I agree with, including on health care and impeachment. But I would much rather some other candidate would make those arguments...maybe a candidate with a headquarters in Iowa. "

You do see the problem here . . . right? Kucinich is the only candidate that is saying things you agree with on impeachment. So yeah, I guess if you think not having you shit all together to fulfill some technical requirement for the Des Moines Register debate than go ahead and throw the issues out the window. Did I mention Hillary is a great organizer? I bet she has a beautiful office in the hip area of downtown Des Moines (http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/travel/02journeys.html?ref=travel) and has all her ducks in a row on the Des Moines Register rules. In fact, I bet she has networked with Register people and throws out names like Jim Hoagland, Geneva Overhaulser, and David Yepsen. I'm sure she's down with this crowd in a way that Kucinich isn't.

by SFHawkguy on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 03:20:09 PM EST
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Re: Kucinich Excluded from Iowa Debate (none / 1)

this gets to the heart of it.

Would you hire a lawyer to represent you that couldn't remember to file papers with the court, anticipate judge instructions, or arrive in court on time?

Would it matter how great he or she was with the jury?

Kucinich is a farce, which I have known since the last election cycle. This debate fiasco should make his supporters furious, but not at the Register. Need I repeat, Alan Keyes met the minimum requirements. Did you even know he was running again? I didn't.

by BooMan on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 03:38:39 PM EST
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Re: Kucinich Excluded from Iowa Debate (none / 0)

I just don't follow this logic that his failure to comply with all the rules of the Des Moines Register debate rises to the level of professional incompetence. Other campaigns have made more serious mistakes. Obama attacking Krugman or questioning social security come to mind. In fact, all the major Democrat candidates have committed far more serious crimes of political malpractice throughout the last 7 years. I would much rather have a President that "got it right the first time", like Dennis Kucinich did on issues such as Iraq and our civil liberties than have a candidate that gets all the major issues wrong but has an awesome campaign advance team. Kucinich exhibited far better political judgment the last few years than Hillary did, for instance. To me, how one voted on Iraq is a much better test of Presidential meddle than a campaign's ability to follow the technical requirements of the Des Moines Register debate.

by SFHawkguy on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 03:53:00 PM EST
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Re: Kucinich Excluded from Iowa Debate (none / 1)

"How can use possibly argue that Kucinich is serious"

You've been in Philly waaaaay too long, Boo.

Do or do not, there is no try.

by anarchronarchist (mincers (-at-) hotmail (-dot-) com) on Wed Dec 12th, 2007 at 03:39:31 PM EST
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