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Bad Days Are Here Again | 89 comments (89 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Bad Days Are Here Again (4.00 / 3)

In my church today, they said a prayer that the U.S. military in Iraq and Afghanistan will be made safe.

I was disgusted and did not participate.

Why?

Because it was not balanced with a call for prayer for the civilians of those two countries we have invaded, nor was it balanced with even a general call for peace.

Every time I see a Support Our Troops sticker, I pull my gun, metaphorically speaking.

All human lives are equal. American militarism denies that truth.

by Arminius on Sun Feb 4th, 2007 at 09:47:40 PM EST

Re: Bad Days Are Here Again (none / 0)

Oh damn. Once again I have made the mistake of posting after reading the diary but before reading the comments.

Tracy, I have often enjoyed your posts here very much, and have learned from them.

I sincerely wish you and your family well, and I hope you'll be back calmer and happier before too long.

by Arminius on Sun Feb 4th, 2007 at 09:55:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Why didn't you (none / 1)

stand up and express your disgust?

by statistic on Sun Feb 4th, 2007 at 10:51:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why didn't you (4.00 / 2)

Hey stat.... talking about the military can be difficult enough at times, but it gets even worse when religion's added to the mix. I had to give a 2 to your comment because I would think it's obvious why any respectful person wouldn't interrupt a church service, regardless of political views. Whether your question is rhetorical or not, it betrays a lack of respect for the parent poster that seems out of line to me. Especially given the seriousness and close personal nature of the subjects to the people in this thread.

Everybody Comes From Somewhere: Conversations and Activism

by CookTing (FEMA|at|yourhouse|dot|now) on Sun Feb 4th, 2007 at 11:05:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why didn't you (none / 0)

He was in "his" church & didn`t participate in the prayer. He was showing what he felt in his own group. If he had gone further & stood up & told "his" group how he felt, it may not have disrupted them, but maybe, brought them closer together, in also praying for all people in this war, no. I didn`t think stat was off base in asking. It could be a good thing imo.

The difference between theists and atheists is that the atheists don't set the theists on fire for refusing to agree with them.

by KNUCKLEHEAD on Sun Feb 4th, 2007 at 11:31:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why didn't you (none / 1)

From my limited viewpoint as a longtime lurker and quite up on the other discussions around blogtopia, I see the problem as being that one poster on this website has a problem with people talking to her, and the guy who runs things is on her side.

It feels like this new user is continuing things by bringing the church into it. It feels like a direct contrast to the military as an institution discussion that I believe the Booman brought up in a thread? And a provocative statement looking to inflame or justify?

I am really sorry to have inserted myself here but I've been following all the events (as best I can!) and some people seem to hint they have knowledge of this particular user profile that fits what I have observed lately.

by thetruth (embiggins2006@yahoo.com) on Mon Feb 5th, 2007 at 12:00:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

To which new user are you referring? (none / 0)

Me? Because I most certainly did not bring the church into this discussion. Arminius has been here a hell of a lot longer than me. And you.

by statistic on Mon Feb 5th, 2007 at 12:21:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: To which new user are you referring? (none / 1)

Oh I do apologize, I've been lurking here for ages. I certainly mean no disrespect to users old or new.

What I meant was you seemed to want to bring the church and why someone wouldn't resist the church and that was in the contrast to into the discussion about speaking out that the diarist was talking about the military. A direct conflation of church and state. Sorry, seemed like a natural extension.

by thetruth (embiggins2006@yahoo.com) on Mon Feb 5th, 2007 at 12:31:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yeah, well, (none / 0)

sometimes lurkers register at the wrong time. Just ask Teach313 - he already e-mailed me to make sure I wasn't MT. I'm not. That doesn't change the meaning behind my question, though. Why is it OK if Arminius doesn't stand up and speak "truth to power" when I have seen more extreme purity demanded of others? BECAUSE SUCH PURITY IS USELESS. And I don't judge Arminius because of it.
So, have fun with your blog(s). I wish you all the best, and might I add that you all might want to work on your welcoming techniques? Cuz, from my end, they "ain't so good." Best wishes, user 4435.

by statistic on Mon Feb 5th, 2007 at 02:13:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

my email exchange with statistic (none / 1)

My email:

First off, welcome to the blog. New voices are always welcome. Things are kind of touch and go here right now. The diarist you are commenting on has an unpleasant history. In my opinion military tracy is destroying the blog. I wanted to request that you back out of the diary you are commenting on. Take some time to get o the place a little. Suspicions and mistrust are running high right now. Your pattern of ratings is making it appear as if you are military tracy. Sadly, such behavior on her part would surprise me. I wish tensions weren't so high right now, but the fact is that they are. Again, please consider staying out off the mess with MT until you know better what is going on. Why don't you consider writing a diary of your own about something that matters to you? I would happily recommend any such diary. The blog could use new voices that aren't dealing with the current mess.

I hope you stick with us. It's not like this usually. Let the veterans take the heat and get the scars as we try to salvage the blog.

Statistic's response:

Aw, geez. You're serious, huh? God, it's like third grade. Look, I know all about MT. And Spiderleaf. And Damnit Janet. And DTF. And Supersoling. And Marisacat. I am a LURKER, fercrissakes. I know what's going on and it pisses me off. Guess I picked the wrong time to register. Tell everybody I said, "Good luck."

statistic

PS. Your MLK, Jr. diary crushed me. I admire you - you are a good teacher. I wish you well.

by Teach313 (teachSKIP313ATmacDOTcom) on Mon Feb 5th, 2007 at 03:45:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

And that's bad how? (none / 0)

n/t

by statistic on Mon Feb 5th, 2007 at 04:17:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: my email exchange with statistic (none / 0)

Did you ask permission of statistic to post his email? If not, this is a big no-no.

Voyage to the Planet of the Feminist Supervixens

by hrh on Mon Feb 5th, 2007 at 07:07:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

CookTing (none / 0)

Just trying to illustrate that one cannot always demand purity. I understand why Arminius did not stand up and speak out - I can honestly say that I most certainly would have done things just the same as he. I meant no judgement and no offense, and if any was taken, I apologize.

by statistic on Sun Feb 4th, 2007 at 11:50:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: CookTing (none / 1)

You're right statistic. Purity is an ideal and an absolute, and only fools will waste the impure reality around them if they hold the real world to ideal measures. I think the difference, though, is one of power. When we see pain, hatred, or injustice, we must always ask how we can confront it. Leaders, by definition, are in a position to help stop the spread of such evils. When we don't have the upper hand - when we're just one of the sheep in the congregation - we must choose carefully how to create a positive influence on the situation. This is as true of a church as it is for any community group. Or for the military. Or for the blogosphere.

Now, if Arminius was the pastor, I could understand your question. As it stands, I still think it doesn't belong.

Everybody Comes From Somewhere: Conversations and Activism

by CookTing (FEMA|at|yourhouse|dot|now) on Sun Feb 4th, 2007 at 11:58:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Indeed. (none / 1)

n/t

by statistic on Mon Feb 5th, 2007 at 12:10:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Statistic (none / 1)

Please contact me. My email address is Teach313 at mac dot com. I would rather continue this conversation offline.

by Teach313 (teachSKIP313ATmacDOTcom) on Sun Feb 4th, 2007 at 11:38:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why didn't you (none / 0)

Statistic, Such words are cheap. Church is not a public square. Today there was an unusually sacred quality to the service. The prayer I objected to was just one throwaway in the middle of a long sequence of other prayers. It would have been harmful (and, more importantly, futile) to make a public protest. It would also have been shamefully disrespectful to many good people who aren't responsible for what I object to.

However, my wife and I have indeed decided to contact the pastor, determine who writes those common prayers, and to register a protest. I definitely will make my feelings known throughout the community.

by Arminius on Mon Feb 5th, 2007 at 06:29:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

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