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You Don't Need a Weatherman to Know Which Way DKos Blows | 55 comments (55 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Crossposted by request... (4.00 / 16)

Thanks for cross-posting it here. I guess the community will have to make its mind up about this.

But honestly, to me, I'm viewing this as a huge-meta issue. Blogs are the tool of a revolution. What Markos has done here is backstabbing (IMHO) and not looking out for the left -- I believe your diary expressed that as well as anything I've read.

I'm thinking Kos doesn't deserve the traffic he gets, based on his centrist or right-centrist nature. And I think there ought to be solidarity on the left to that effect. Sorry. That's my honest feeling on the subject.

We aren't the fucking crazy aunts of this world. We are fucking right on damn near every issue. Hillary Clinton. Wrong on the biggest issue of this century. And she's going to represent us with Kos-like support from the blogosphere. Fuck that. The left is right. And then, five years later, when everybody gets on board, they're back supporting the centrist ideas for votes.

Fuck it. I'm about principle not politics, I guess. I guess that's what it boils down to.

"Have you no sense of decency, sir. At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" -- Boston Attorney Joseph Welch, taking down Sen. Joseph McCarthy.

by BostonJoe on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 06:35:08 PM EST
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Re: Crossposted by request... (4.00 / 7)

I have my response in orange. Sorry I couldn't really back up your position on this but I just see it another way and I don't feel like using it to make larger points about the political positions of his site. Maybe I'm just a little exhausted from meta right now, but that is how I feel.

Feel free to debate it however you see fit.

by BooMan on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 07:03:27 PM EST
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Re: Crossposted by request... (4.00 / 16)

I feel pretty strongly that the blog so many big name politicians equate with being "the netroots"--to the extent that they (or their staff) will sign up for accounts and post diaries there, should not be a blog run by someone with that kind of authoritarian attitude. I would prefer to build up another blog or coalition of blogs to the point that the political bigwigs see us as a group that needs to be courted.

Just my humble opinion. Don't know the first thing to do towards making that fond wish a reality. So I'll just indulge in some immature Photoshop therapy...

http://twitter.com/ohiorenee

by Renee in Ohio on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 07:11:05 PM EST
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Re: politicians equating Dkos w/netroots (4.00 / 4)

Not so fast Renee...

I interviewed Chuck Schumer at a Press Conference last year and I asked him his opinion of the "netroots" growing influence in politics. He replied that he thought it was great that people online were getting involved, and that he talked to Eli Pariser at Move On at least once a week.

No mention of DKos, or DU, or BT or any of the lefty blogosphere, not even Skippy. Nope, he pulled out the million donor email list of Move On as his example of netroots...

by Timroff (tim@timroff.com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 09:16:49 AM EST
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Re: politicians equating Dkos w/netroots (4.00 / 4)

Interesting definition of netroots there...but not surprising that it comes from Chuck Schumer. How could he ignore skippy?

Also, do you think his attitude contributes to the recent push for some user-based sites to become more sanitized and professional?

by CabinGirl on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 09:23:46 AM EST
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not even skippy?? (none / 0)

chuck, we hardly knew ye!

by skippybkroo (skippybkroo@aol.com) on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 10:20:25 PM EST
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Re: Crossposted by request... (4.00 / 8)

Power works in certain ways and humans respond in certain ways based on power, ego, a need to belong, feel fufilled, gain status, etc. Attachment if we want to go all Meta-Buddha on peoples @#$.

I think we're seeing that across the blogs as we "crash the gates". Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

For people-powered or human-centered principles to succeed and really influence the mainstream we need to seriously think about new organizing principles and how to create efficent community-controlled or managed "properties" across the range of human endeavor. It's time intensive and needs to be considered very carefully. It's too easy to get caught up in failed socialist models or the utopian commune framework, but there is something to be said for community ownership and accountability in the public space and across the commons.

I think Dean's approach to politics is a direct outcome of his immersion in Vermont politics. Vermont is all about face to face, direct democracy and organizing at town-level to make significant decisions. I think that type of political/organizational structure is what gave rise to people powered politics.

We need to think more about these types of lessons.

by northcountry on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 07:21:17 PM EST
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process of politics (4.00 / 6)

is where it is at, but

it is probably the area of least interest to those interested in politics.

this kos battle shows that the SOS problems keep cropping up w/ human organizations cuz ... we is humans.

kind of an aside - last night i read a few pages about taylor's work at the begining of the last century with the scientific management thing. it took him years of work to come up with something whcih was new AND to sell it AND to get it adopted AND bastardized AND warped AND AND AND all the normal shit we humans do to fuck up bad and good ideas.

this online / leaderless 'organizing' thing is gonna take work, AND

looking for fucking leaders is kinda screwey, no?

rmm.

http://www.liemail.com/BambooGrassroots.html

by rmdSeaBos (sea$$bos$%84 at yah) on Thu Feb 8th, 2007 at 11:12:00 PM EST
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Re: process of politics (4.00 / 4)

Agree. But always remember:

We have the power!

Jefferson said it in different words.

Dean reminded us of it.

by northcountry on Fri Feb 9th, 2007 at 10:46:35 AM EST
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