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Fox, Imus, and the Crumblin' Walls | 24 comments (24 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: But, but...hip hop! (none / 1)

it's like you hip-hop community embraced the blackploitation films of the 1970's by co-opting its stereotypes...which is all fine...a way of taking ownership of hate and turning it into something more innocuous (like the 'n' word).

But, then that is turned around, again, and thrown back at the black community to justify the hate all over again. A sad spectacle.

The pimps and hos routine was somewhat amusing when it was used as parody, like in Hollywood Shuffle or the Afros. Its time is long over now. Hip-hop should move on and find something political and progressive to talk about. That goes for celebrating gang-banging too. It started as a statement about police brutality...now it celebrates criminality.

by BooMan on Tue Apr 10th, 2007 at 11:29:00 AM EST
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Re: But, but...hip hop! (none / 1)

should say 'the hip-hop community'.

by BooMan on Tue Apr 10th, 2007 at 11:31:08 AM EST
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Re: But, but...hip hop! (none / 0)

There's a whole area of study of how hip/hop and rap turned on itself in a way...and yeah it can be a conspiracy if you want to think so..as to how MTV would only promote videos of rappers that were not political statements but the ones that degenerated into the whole pimp/ho/thug life glamour as an insidious way to prove that is what all Black life was about ..perpetrating myths.

Look at Ice T's song, 'copkiller' that got the white community so riled up that Charelton Heston for shit's sake went and protested at Time Warner wasn't it?

'Poverty is the worst form of violence'--Gandhi

by chocolate ink on Tue Apr 10th, 2007 at 02:37:09 PM EST
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Re: But, but...hip hop! (none / 0)

See, "But, but...hip hop" is a straw man. Period.

To me, this is about sexualized degradation. The racial comments just made his comments more specific. There's never any reason for it, but again, it's used to try to put women "in their place." This jackass just used it for giggles and shits. They weren't doing anything other than playing their hearts out, and their accomplishments are now marred by this idiot.

Again, referring to Black women as whores, in one form or another, is as old as the republic. I don't like hearing bunk like this from anyone. But since Imus decided to unload on these women like that (one would be tempted to say "unprovoked" but that assumes that there's a place, a legitimacy, to ever attacking a woman like that), he's the one that deserves to be in the hot seat.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Tue Apr 10th, 2007 at 02:49:25 PM EST
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Re: But, but...hip hop! (none / 0)

I see this from white suburban kids talking about gangstas and hos and pimps, and they think it's hilarious. But they don't have the context and they don't know that the whole image, glorified in hip-hop, was originally a backlash against the whole Dolemite, Superfly, Car Wash kind of image that Hollywood threw out at the black community in the 1970's. I do see it as similar to the 'n' word. People have trouble understanding that black people adopted the 'n' word as a way to take the power out of it. They see it used and then think it is okay to use it themselves. But that misses the entire point.

A curious sidebar to this is young women calling themselves 'hos'. It might be an effort to diffuse the power of the word, but, in this case, I think it is a futile effort.

And whether it is the 'n' word or 'hos', in the end you never really escape the underlying premise that there is something wrong with being that. Making it self-referential is therefore a problem.

As for the primary problem here being the misogyny and not the racism? I don't know. I don't really see them as isolated like that. I think the racism was pretty overt here. It's usually coded a bit. This was blatant.

by BooMan on Tue Apr 10th, 2007 at 03:30:02 PM EST
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