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Kos: "I love a man in a uniform!" | 47 comments (47 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

87% of Democrats want us out of Iraq (none / 0)

Can't Texans demand, based on those numbers, that Noriega at least be in favor of getting us out of Iraq? What does he need before he or Watts 'gets it'?

Remember, the Iraq Study Group recommendations will not get us out of Iraq, and Noriega expressly supported those recommendations.

Here is the latest polling data on Iraq:

CBS News/New York Times Poll. July 9-17, 2007
"Which of these comes closest to your opinion? Congress should block all funding for the war in Iraq no matter what. OR, Congress should allow funding, but only on the condition that the U.S. sets a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops. OR, Congress should allow all funding for the war without any timetable conditions."
ALL adults
Block All 8%
Timetable 61
Allow All 28
Unsure 3
Republicans

Block All 3%
Timetable 41%
Allow All 53%
Unsure 3%
Democrats
Block All 10%
Timetable 77%
Allow All 9%
Unsure 4%
Independents

Block All 10%
Timetable 60%
Allow All 26%
Unsure 4%
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

As for the rest of your post, it reminds me of the 2004 pro-Kerry electability arguments. Yeah, I remember him saluting the Democratic Convention too. Damn, that was lame. He and his advisors completely misread the American public, and in particular Democrats. At least by November 2006 I thought I'd seen the last of that from political mindreaders.

I'm important, and everyone else is too. G.K. Chesterton

by fairleft (fairleft(at)yahoo.com) on Thu Jul 19th, 2007 at 03:40:22 PM EST
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Re: 87% of Democrats want us out of Iraq (none / 0)

Texans can DEMAND anything we want. Whether we'll GET it, or get anywhere useful WITH it, is a different question with, I think, a different answer.

I think Noriega probably "gets it" as far as WHAT the public's preference is concerned, but it's entirely possible he doesn't agree with it, and doesn't see it as a good way to handle things.

I dunno. I'm not a confidant, I'm not privy to what's inside his head. I just go on what I read between the lines from what I've heard him say and where, mostly from speeches but with a few behind-the-scenes moments in the mix.

I doubt ANYONE arguing for a full and immediate withdrawal is going to get elected statewide in Texas, at the moment, and I think it's very likely that Noriega has access to better sources of info than I have on what's really going on over there. In any case I don't have enough pieces of the puzzle to be doctrinaire on the question, and I'm not going single issue on it.

Bottom line is that I'm tentatively inclined to trust Noriega's judgement on the question, given the circumstances.

However, I AM willing to go single issue on choice, and I AM willing to go single issue on "I've seen enough R's in office to last the next ten lifetimes..." so I ain't got much choice, really. But it helps that I actually DO think Noriega's a good man with a good head AND a good heart.

Whether he wins even if he gets the most votes... another question.

We are all captives of the pictures in our heads -- our belief that the world which we have experienced is the world that really exists. -- Walter Lippman

by stormkite on Fri Jul 20th, 2007 at 12:09:24 AM EST
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America (& Texas) wants out of Iraq (none / 0)

Look at the numbers: independents & Democrats are overwhelmingly in favor of getting us out. Immediate I don't know about and that's not what I'm demanding: most people believe these things take time, so they are in favor of a withdrawal timetable. Fine, no problem, but let's do it! And withdrawal doesn't mean leaving 70-80,000 behind, candidates won't be able to pretend otherwise forever.

So yes, I very strongly believe that a guy can get elected Senator from Texas who supports an orderly and swift withdrawal from Iraq. How you can say "it can't get done" when you look at those avalanche-like numbers?

In fact, I think the Dem nominee will have a very hard time getting elected in Texas unless he clearly differentiates himself from the Republican on the key Iraq issue. If Noriega and Watts decide not to do so, they're creating an image of themselves as wishy-washy and losers, which resonates with a lot of the public when they think of the Democrats.

I'm important, and everyone else is too. G.K. Chesterton

by fairleft (fairleft(at)yahoo.com) on Fri Jul 20th, 2007 at 12:39:39 AM EST
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Re: America (& Texas) wants out of Iraq (none / 0)

Democrats and independents are NOT a clear and clean majority in Texas, which means that who wins and who loses is all about Getting Out The Vote.

Noriega stands to peel off enough wavering R's to get there, and because he's serving military with combat experience in this conflict, he's going to be somewhat more difficult to label as a coward or an appeaser or a terrorsymp.

A full withdrawal candidate (of whom one should note there are not any on the horizon) will not only NOT peel off those wavering R's, he'll cement them back into the party (at which they become close to an absolute majority), AND hands the R's a to-die-for GOTV argument about how the D's are all traitors on the same side as the terrorists who're coming to get all of us.

And it'll fly here, because what's not mentioned in Bush's declining numbers is that a lot of redstaters (especially in Texas where I hear it daily) think that Bush's problem is that he's just not conservative ENOUGH, and that he's just being too nice, too softhearted, and needs to just kick ass...

And THOSE are the folks who'll turn out en masse to keep ANY of them goddam surrender-monkey liberals from destroying the country OR giving all our oil away to the Iranians and the Muslims.

We are all captives of the pictures in our heads -- our belief that the world which we have experienced is the world that really exists. -- Walter Lippman

by stormkite on Fri Jul 20th, 2007 at 01:23:13 AM EST
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Getting out the Vote? (none / 0)

When you can't figure out the difference between the Repub & Dem candidate on the main issue of the day?

Get out the vote is about authentic enthusiasm based on a belief the candidate will make a difference. You can't fake it, you can't hide the wishy-washiness, people will figure that out and stay home. I'm a messenger: with their (apparently) long-term occupation Iraq stands, Noriega and Watts will make people sit on their butts and stay home.

By the way, more than 40% of Republicans now want us to withdraw from Iraq. Those would be the rational Democratic camaigner's votes to peel off. Right? Again, when the Dems try to be all things to every voter, even the rightist wing of Republicans (on this issue), they end up inspiring apathy because people don't buy that.

I'm important, and everyone else is too. G.K. Chesterton

by fairleft (fairleft(at)yahoo.com) on Fri Jul 20th, 2007 at 09:43:40 AM EST
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