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Primary Challenges Haunt Democrats | 21 comments (21 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Primary Challenges Haunt Democrats (none / 0)

The problem with this reasoning is that we don't have any say or any control over what the Republicans do. We've tried to pressure them and it did not work. The only option left is to pressure Democrats to take more drastic steps to end the war.

Is there any other step available than refusing to fund the war?

As you said, it is now obvious that the Republicans are going "all in" with the President. Many of us suspected months ago that would be the case come "Magic September".

What "drastic steps" are in the Dem arsenal right now? And do we assume at this point that we have to take on tactics with a greater risk factor in order to have a chance at success?

I'm curious about everyones thoughts.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 11:22:07 AM EST

Re: Primary Challenges Haunt Democrats (none / 1)

They could decide to hold up all other business until they can get an up or down vote on the Webb amendment, or some other piece that they have 50+ votes for.

Downside: it will greatly enhance the GOP's leverage in the appropriations process by putting everything into continuing resolutions (a de facto reduction in government services).

They could simply refuse to pass a supplemental unless they can get up or down votes on all their measures.

Downside: forcing an end to the war without an bipartisan support and without a systemic plan is dangerous both in reality and politically.

by BooMan on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 11:46:07 AM EST
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Re: Primary Challenges Haunt Democrats (4.00 / 2)

Kagro makes the argument that with the current agreed-to 60 vote structure we will never know whether the President is willing to veto an appropriation bill or if the Republicans would ever actually filibuster the Webb Amendment because not a single Democrat has raised a finger to signal an objection to a unanimous consent request. They have just assumed the Republicans will make good on any threat so they are not willing to take the risk.

Do they not, at some point, have to take a chance on doing something?

I would like to think that there is a method to this madness and Harry Reid has a larger plan but how long do you play defense on this? If there was an action which had no downside then it would have been taken long ago, but I'm still right where I was at months ago with the "Shit or get off the pot" view. Caution is, or can be, a good thing. Chronic uncertainty is quite another animal altogether.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 12:04:33 PM EST
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Re: Primary Challenges Haunt Democrats (none / 0)

His plan failed yesterday.

by BooMan on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 12:28:45 PM EST
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is that what it was? (4.00 / 2)

Somehow i think the word "plan" means something different than you think it does.
I have yet to see any "planning" from ANY of these people.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 01:14:05 PM EST
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Re: is that what it was? (none / 1)

I think that is the frustrating part to me, Brendan. Using all my powers of observation, reasoning, logic and deduction I still cannot glean any semblance of a "plan" in any of this. I read a lot of speculation, prognostication and plain old fashioned guessing as to what they're doing, but there still doesn't seem to be any "there" there, if you know what I mean. Most plans follow some kind of logical progression and for the life of me, I just cannot see it.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 01:38:45 PM EST
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Re: Primary Challenges Haunt Democrats (none / 0)

That's what I was afraid of.

Now I'm really bummed.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Thu Sep 20th, 2007 at 12:43:19 PM EST
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