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Rep. Clyburn is Losing Patience with Clintons | 18 comments (18 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Rep. Clyburn is Losing Patience with Clintons (4.00 / 3)

The cynical side of me thinks that the Clintons actually welcome this fight, even though it will hurt them in the African-American community and, thus, is some critical states, particularly in the south. But, in turning Obama into the 'Black Candidate' they hope to turn him into Jesse Jackson...a candidate that can win some states, but that the 'straight community' will see as fringe.

by BooMan on Fri Jan 11th, 2008 at 03:09:02 PM EST
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Re: Rep. Clyburn is Losing Patience with Clintons (none / 1)

Well, your cynicism may be well founded. If anyone can turn someone like Obama into a joined-at-the-hip, Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton "Black Candidate", it would be the Clinton crew. From the standpoint of a purely political calculation, it sounds like a plan which they would feel comfortable in working. A little "run it up the flagpole and see who salutes" kind of thing.

Sadly I don't think a lot of white people would need a tremendous jolt to convince themselves to pull back from Obama. The unconscious but subtle bigotry is still there, lurking in a lot of us. And waiting to be exploited.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio on Fri Jan 11th, 2008 at 03:27:36 PM EST
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Re: Rep. Clyburn is Losing Patience with Clintons (none / 0)

from my comment in orange:

you're assuming that the specter of African-Americans howling in protest about racism that the white community cannot detect will not wind up alienating Obama from the white community. I guarantee you that you'd be wrong in that assumption. They call it a dog whistle for a reason...white people don't hear it and think the people that do hear it are petulant nuts.

Obviously, I am not directing that comment at you, but it is responsive to your point.

by BooMan on Fri Jan 11th, 2008 at 03:30:51 PM EST
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Re: Rep. Clyburn is Losing Patience with Clintons (none / 0)

As a white guy who grew up in an almost lily-white community, I can attest to the truth of your statement.

If I had a nickel for every time in my life I've heard "there they go again" or "well, you know ,that's just how those people are. Always the victim" when it comes to blacks reactions to perceived racism.

In so many communities it just seems like it's in the DNA.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio on Fri Jan 11th, 2008 at 03:41:20 PM EST
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Re: Rep. Clyburn is Losing Patience with Clintons (none / 0)

It's Sister Souljah redux. But it's not the same decade. The Clintons are so '90s.

Knut

by Knut Wicksell (b_didnn@hotmail.ca) on Fri Jan 11th, 2008 at 10:54:52 PM EST
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Re: Rep. Clyburn is Losing Patience with Clintons (none / 0)

Good point.

Hillary lucked out with the sexism thing. The emotional moment happened the day before the election. There was no time for women to "howl in protest" about sexism and have the backlash from it (which I think would have happened). The election happened the next day and was interpreted as a powerful statement against sexism rather than a powerless howl.

by maryb2004 on Fri Jan 11th, 2008 at 03:44:14 PM EST
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she may use the tearful moment, again.

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Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Fri Jan 11th, 2008 at 04:02:12 PM EST
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Re: Rep. Clyburn is Losing Patience with Clintons (none / 0)

not gonna work. can't turn Obama into a Jesse Jackson, Jr or Sr.

Obama is not an angry black man. The Clintons see this and that's why they're prepared to use the race card, the sexist card, the tears and fears card to claw their way back to the White House.

BTW, Why is Bill Clinton running for a 3rd term?

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Fri Jan 11th, 2008 at 03:53:39 PM EST
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Re: Rep. Clyburn is Losing Patience with Clintons (none / 0)

I don't think it would work either. But that won't stop them from trying like hell to try and stick a little Jessie or Al onto him in the minds of the most susceptible if they think they can. Some people WANT to pigeonhole Obama. Creating perception is sometimes as effective as proving actual truth. That's what they want, perception. It's a lot easier for them to create by proxy.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio on Fri Jan 11th, 2008 at 04:15:46 PM EST
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Re: Rep. Clyburn is Losing Patience with Clintons (none / 0)

Clinton is also distorting Obama's record. Today in Nevada she accused him of being a part-time senator. In Illinois, all are part-time senators and their paid as part-time senators allowing them to work at their professions.

here's how it's playing within Afro-American blogs.

Clinton has adopted the Rove playbook.
(the hinted code is Uppity, wait your turn.)

more here

Clintons trashes Obama and takes the nomination. Exactly what the GOP wants an easy win against the Clintons.

I bet should it appear that it'll be Clinton heading the Dem ticket, Bloomberg will jump in. The Nader effect.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Fri Jan 11th, 2008 at 05:08:29 PM EST
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