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I have largely been an observer from the sidelines in this war of words that seems to be raging in the lefty bloglands.  But I have to agree with you that it is very frustrating to see how incapable many of us on the left are of seeing the larger picture here and making sure we understand the context in which things are being said and done.

With John Edward's candle essentially flickering out, we are quickly looking down the road at a two person race here, Hillary and Obama.

Would the people hammering Obama prefer Hillary?  If there are any progressives who really think that Hillary Clinton would pursue anything but a continuation of the corporate driven, centrist model which is poison to all things progressive, then they are truly delusional.

Keep up shit like this with Obama, folks, and Hillary and her corporate buddies is what you will get.  And don't come crying later saying you were hoodwinked.  The signs are all there for everyone to see.  Just look.



"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 01:08:59 PM EST
That's the point, really, isn't it? The choice is between Obama and Clinton, and at this point, votes for Edwards are votes for Clinton.

Re what Obama meant, here is his own clarification:

Today Senator Obama responded to their criticisms at his Columbia, South Carolina rally, saying his statements have been mischaracterized - just another Washinton "trick."

"I didn't' say I liked Ronald Reagan's policies," Obama explained. "What I said was that was the kind of working majority we need to form in order to move a progressive agenda forward. So when I see, you know, Senator Clinton or President Clinton distort my words, say somehow that I was saying Republican (sic) the only ones who had good ideas since 1980 - then that is not a way to move the debate forward. That is not a way to help the American people. And I am not running for president just to become president - I'm running to help the American people and move the debate forward. I'm not willing to say or do anything just to win an election, because when you start operating that way, you lose the trust of the American people and we need trust if we're going to build the kind of country that all of us want for our children and our grandchildren."

Obama told the crowd that Reagan "was able to tap into the discontent of the American people and he was able to get Democrats to vote Republican - they were called Reagan Democrats." This skill of bridging party divides is one that Obama admits he hopes to emulate. "We as Democrats right now, should tap into the discontent of Republicans. I want some Obama Republicans!"



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by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 04:45:52 PM EST
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The choice is between Obama and Clinton, and at this point, votes for Edwards are votes for Clinton.

Yep.  That's pretty much the lay of the land.  Though. some people in the blogasylums just don't seem to be making the connection.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 04:51:57 PM EST
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...at this point, votes for Edwards are votes for Clinton.

l disagree. but thanks for dispersing the dick morris, talking point.

l think this, from julie bosman the the nyt, is a more realistic assessment of his impact on clinton:

...a senior adviser to the Democratic presidential candidates in 2000 and 2004, said that even without taking first place in primary states, Mr. Edwards has reason to stay in and possibly influence the result at the nominating convention.

"Even though he doesn't expect to win, he expects to do well enough to win delegates," Mr. Devine said. "Anybody who can command 15 percent of the vote and get on the ballot can wind up with literally hundreds of delegates at the convention, and that's a pretty strong position to be in."

But some political strategists say Mr. Edwards also has another compelling reason to stay in, at least in South Carolina. He could end up sharing the white vote with Mrs. Clinton, thus helping Mr. Obama, whom Mr. Edwards has signaled he favors.

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frankly, l'm hoping he stays in the race for a viriety of reasons, not the least of which is that he forces the discussion...the overton window, if you will...towards the progressive issues. without his participation, those issues are going to fall quickly by the wayside. of increasing importance...watch the markets tomorrow...is the coming economic difficulties, an issue that has been a major component of his campaign from the beginning. it will become an increasingly important part of the dialogue, imo, because the have nots are just about to take a huge hit.

the calls for edwards to withdraw after 3 small primaries, discounting the michigan charade, are premature.

l've a novel idea; why don't we let the people decide? seems pretty basic to the concept, eh. after tsunami tuesday we'll all have better idea as to where the actual trajectory of this campaign is going, and frankly, l view the prospect of a brokered convention as a opportunity to keep the progressive ideals in the discussion, and possibly as an important plank in the democratic campaign platform.

lTMF'sA

the revolution will not be televised...Peace

by dada on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 07:07:16 PM EST
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Dada, that's also my reading. Edwards is very important.
by priscianus jr on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 08:37:07 PM EST
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We NEED Edwards to stay in, if for nothing else, to give racist whites who will NOT vote for a black man someone to vote for other than Hillary. I am perfectly happy letting Edwards be the king-maker. He will side with Obama when it comes time to give up any delegates. And I'm sure he could probably get any spot in the government that he wants in exchange.

Please stay in the game, John. Up until the end.

by RandyH on Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 at 12:46:30 AM EST
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The problem is, I can't tell whether Clinton or Obama is more corporationist. The powers that be seem happy to take either one. Edwards is the last standing candidate that they don't want.

We've had a handful of primaries. The majority of the country hasn't voted, but liberals are ready to write him off. At the very least, I want Edwards to stay in the race till the end to give us some pull towards the left.

Land of the watched, because of the cowed.

by hens teeth on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 05:24:46 PM EST
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what makes me laugh is that so many people expect Obama to talk like Edwards when we should all be able to see what happens to even a white former vp candidate that tries that anti-corporate tack.  How much sooner would Obama meet the fate of Edwards?
by BooMan on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 05:44:18 PM EST
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Wow, are we ever on the same wavelength here.

But maybe I should cut Edwards a little slack. I just remember his reputation when he was in the Senate (a real "up and comer") AND how he voted when he was there. I didn't know his backstory (Dad worked in a mill) until he was on the Kerry ticket. Maybe he really was doing what he felt he had to do, I dunno. The jury is still out with that one, so to speak.

Either way, I really wish he was in the Senate rather than the cretins that are there now.

Presumptuous is the new uppity.

by AP on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 06:23:16 PM EST
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Hillary and Obama, which for me is crucial, is that he has refused money from Corporate PAC and she has taken lots.  Even letting Rupert Murdoch fund raise for her.
by Moonwood on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 05:48:25 PM EST
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Well, there is quite a track record there with Hillary and all those who she surrounds herself with.  They say you know someone by the company they keep.

I think that speaks volumes.  Follow the trail of breadcrumbs and find where it leads.

As for Edwards, he might hang in there.  But he is done, don't you think?  Where can he go from here?  He can stand in on principle and try to frame the debate when he can, but he will get zero media exposure.  Hell, when his campaign was still within striking distance early on, he got nothing.  Have to face facts.  The media fragged him.  He was a pariah to them from the start.  And that, along with some of his own stumbles has, I'm sorry to say, doomed his campaign.  I liked him.  I hoped he would be a major player.  I would have voted for him.  We need his voice in this campaign.  But we never got to hear it, and we never will.


"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 at 06:24:12 PM EST
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