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The Queen cometh. And many of her potential subjects shaketh. That's my take on what's up, anyway. | 41 comments (41 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

As usual...recs will be most appreciated. (4.00 / 8)

Tips are nice, too.

Flames?

It's winter. Today seems more like spring in NYC than winter, but what the hell...all heat will be appreciated as well.

Fire away if you so desire.

Later...

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 01:47:29 PM EST

Re: As usual...recs will be most appreciated. (4.00 / 5)

I have to agree with you and have felt similarly for quite a while. If Hilary wins no feminist or professional women will be able to blame the "glass ceiling" for their own lack of success. What a frightening prospect. As for the men, it will be just that little bit harder to put down a good women. I think it was Eleanor Roosevelt who said: "no one can make you inferior unless you let them".

"We reported back to hearts what we had seen, and told our footsteps all about where we had been."

by Frank Schnittger (Frankschnittger at hotmail dotty communists) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 02:39:48 PM EST
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Oh pooh (none / 0)

That's such a full argument...a leap of logic.

Are you telling me that if Sen. Clinton becomes president that men, particularly white men, across this country are all of a sudden going to stop being sexist?

Or is it what you are you really saying is that if Sen. Clinton becomes president then women will all of sudden start being CEOs, governors and other occupations because, as you put it "no feminist or professional women will be able to blame the "glass ceiling" for their own lack of success."

Lack of success in the boardroom is tied to a lack of a female president.

Okay.

Sure.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 12:37:18 PM EST
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You write...sarcastically: (none / 1)

Lack of success in the boardroom is tied to a lack of a female president.

The Presidency of the United States is a highly symbolic office.

If you do not think that a woman as President would strongly affect attitudes...atitudes that will resonate for generations to come...then you are indeed blind as a bat.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 12:47:15 PM EST
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Yep...I"m color blind (none / 0)

Because I heard white men tell the same lies to black people, to Latinos, to Asians. I've heard, "Well, a Black mayor is symbolic and will send a message to the boardroom." Yeah. Sure. The problem is that the message needed to be sent to the cops beating and harassing young Black, Asian and Latino men, just because of their color. The message needed to be sent to the cabbie who won't pick me up because I am black. The message needed to be sent the shopkeeper who follows me around the store, but never asks me if I need help.

And then there is just the "Ain't American Grand" in that statement that is laughable. Tons of other countries, "Third World" countries even have had female leaders. Some of these countries still don't allow female children to be taught to read. Some of these countries have had even less female CEOs than the US. Some of these countries have their own glass ceilings, so what are you talking about resonation? Or is this another "your time will come later" thing that my great-great grandkid may be able to see on TV?

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Thu Jan 10th, 2008 at 12:56:53 PM EST
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Re: As usual...recs will be most appreciated. (4.00 / 5)

Well I have to say I now love you.....just can't help myself. It's been building over the last several months, but now with this diary, I am over the top.
Thanks so much for writing this, and I am betting you will continue, writing that is.
Cheers to you Arthur!!!!!!!

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by diane101 (dianed101 @ yahoo.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:25:47 PM EST
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Re: As usual...recs will be most appreciated. (4.00 / 2)

I'm beginning to feel three is a crowd, so I'm outa here!

Have fun, you two....

"We reported back to hearts what we had seen, and told our footsteps all about where we had been."

by Frank Schnittger (Frankschnittger at hotmail dotty communists) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:31:48 PM EST
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Re: As usual...recs will be most appreciated. (none / 1)

Oh please don't go, I have a little love for you too for that comment above...

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by diane101 (dianed101 @ yahoo.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:41:12 PM EST
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Re: As usual...recs will be most appreciated. (4.00 / 4)

Oh and BTW, I have thought for a long time now that the ticket would be Clinton Pres, Obama, VP, give him some experience and then I think in 8 years he would make a fine Pres.
To me looking at the primaries so far, with the vote totals, this ticket would take the election in a big way. Of course we still have to wait to see how the south votes. Well anyway that is my take.

My sister a Republican has said she hated Hillary, the reason, she believed all the murder and mayhem crap thrown at her. Well the other day, pre emotional moment, I said to her I didn't like her feeling that way, reason 1, all those things were lies, and if Kent Starr didn't fine any bones, well you know, and the second reason was that she was just like us, my sister and I, little bit younger, but the same kind of early life....she could have been one of my sisters friends, who I amways thought were so cool and remarkable, sister's a slight bit older than I. Anway, I think it got to her and she started to relent.
To my mind,If there is anyone to be hated in the country it surely should be Bush and maybe we can give a little break to someone in our own party.
Remember after the Clinton affair, her positives were very high, but when she did not divorce, they started to go down.

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by diane101 (dianed101 @ yahoo.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 03:39:16 PM EST
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Re: As usual...recs will be most appreciated. (4.00 / 3)

I always wondered why, in such a "Christian" country, she should have had negative ratings for not divorcing. Is that another reason why people hate her - because she stuck with him thru thick and thin... if you know what I mean.... Now if she HAD divorced him. the evangelicals would have has a field day, UNFAITHFUL, can't be RELIED on, broken promise to GOD etc.

"We reported back to hearts what we had seen, and told our footsteps all about where we had been."

by Frank Schnittger (Frankschnittger at hotmail dotty communists) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:50:37 PM EST
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Re: As usual...recs will be most appreciated. (4.00 / 2)

I do believe the Clinton haters, by extension passed it on to her, when she did not divorce him. On another front she rejected the homey women type (baking cookies reference)during his campaign, but was then seen to be just another soccer, housewifey lady, when she didn't go off on her ownand leave him. So as usual she was wrong to some either way she went.

One thing I have always remembered about her was a quote relayed by one of her long time friends,(paraprased) when asked how she maintained herself after the affair, she said I would have loved to go into a room and cry my eyes out, but I just didn't have the time. It is also interesting to note that many of those in her immediate campaign circle are friends from highschool and college...says something about a person when they still have the friendship and loyalty of people from their youth.

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by diane101 (dianed101 @ yahoo.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 05:00:37 PM EST
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Re: As usual...recs will be most appreciated. (4.00 / 4)

I have read your diaries and comments for a long time here, AG. This is the best "undercover work" I have seen in recent memory. You are so exactly right on the mark as I see it.

That damn programming all of us have been through all of our lives about this particular subject and so many other ideas and concepts of "how things are," is insidious, deeply hidden (most often), and very tough for most of us to face honestly.

You have done a terrific job with your thesis here and I commend you highly.

Keep up the good work.

Shirl

don't miss ~ Matters of Spirit and Expanded Views

by shirlstars (shirlstarsw@aol.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2008 at 04:55:07 PM EST
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