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Eric Holder to be Next Attorney General | 40 comments (40 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Eric Holder to be Next Attorney General (none / 0)

this has been a problem for a long time.

Latino Político | "We are condemned to kill time, thus we die bit by bit." - Octavio Paz

by Man Eegee (man.eegee at gmail dot com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 04:51:40 PM EST
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What has been a problem for a long time? Chiquita? Holder? Obama?

by Heart of the Rockies on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 04:56:21 PM EST
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chiquita but i am looking into holder's involvement as their defender.

Latino Político | "We are condemned to kill time, thus we die bit by bit." - Octavio Paz

by Man Eegee (man.eegee at gmail dot com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 05:07:43 PM EST
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yep, he's got a lot more "issues" than the marc rich pardon. his role in defending, and negotiating a sweet settlement for chiquita is not a positive, imo.

according to his wiki page:

In 2004, Holder helped negotiate an agreement with the Justice Department for Chiquita Brands International in a case that involved Chiquita's payment of "protection money" to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, a paramilitary group that has been designated a terrorist group by the United States government.[8][9] In the agreement, Chiquita's officials pleaded guilty and paid a fine of $25 million.[9] Holder represents Chiquita in the civil action which grew out of this criminal case...

l am not impressed.

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 05:10:32 PM EST
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Eric Holder is the most qualified Democrat in the country. He was actually interim Attorney General until Ashcroft was confirmed. He's an outstanding pick.

You know, lawyers represent people and corporations WHEN THEY FUCK UP. That's what they do. And really good lawyers represent really fucked up people and corporations.

It's not a crime to be a high-priced lawyer.

by BooMan on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 05:14:20 PM EST
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Non-lawyers tend to hate lawyers who represent clients they despise. To think that good lawyers only represent the most morally upright individuals and corporations would mean a system of justice even more messed up than it is now. I don't know this guy, but I know lawyers, and not every lawyer who represents a bad guy is a bad guy.

by RollaMO on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 05:23:50 PM EST
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I'll go with Holder. Good intelligence....a nice choice even if it's a Clinton re-thread and maybe my roots are showing. His parents are immigrants.
For those upthread, who are on the Chiquita issue. That's what all smart lawyers do. Settle, when the opportunity presents or get the best outcome for the cards your client holds. In court, there's never a sure case.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 05:31:00 PM EST
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He represented them, he didn't recommend the crimes he defended in court.

by BooMan on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 05:01:34 PM EST
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I'm going to be an attorney very soon so I completely agree with this. After all, comparatively speaking it's a good pick compared to his other choices so far.

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by MNPundit on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 05:15:57 PM EST
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I agree. (none / 0)

Outside of the Rich fiasco, he's smart, thoughtful--a damned good pick.

I know folks are upset today, but no pick will be absolutely perfect. To me, there's a big difference between one who worked for the Clinton Administration and a mere Clintonista. There are folks who did good work despite the circumstances, or at least tried to do so. The orders for triangulation and such came from the top.

Who would folks rather have seen named? I'm curious.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 05:39:52 PM EST
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When I was a shop steward I represented thieves. Part of the job.

Of course, I don't like people stealing and I didn't make any extra money doing that job. Just made sure there was due process and that all rights were accorded, and if I could I'd win the case.

by Bob In Pacifica on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 08:53:59 PM EST
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Yup, a steward or a lawyer represents the client... and tries to keep emotional and non-judgmental distance.

Everybody is guaranteed due process under the Law, or what is the Law for? This country is one of the few where a person or corporation is presumed innocent until proven guilty and is entitled to the same quality of representation. Admittedly, that is an ideal. Some people figure that a person is guilty as soon as they are arrested (the cops would never make a mistake) or have the punishment in mind before the culprit is even apprehended (a lynching crowd).

Lewis G. Carroll's account of the Knave' s trial before the Red Queen and White Rabbit is famous for the Queen's dictum, "Sentence first, verdict afterward."

In the real world, we require lawyers to present evidence and testimony befitting their case. Guilt and punishment or reparations are determined by others. Even famous lawyers such as F. Lee Bailey didn't choose their clients based upon innocence!

If Holder is proven to be a rational competent manager of a case and does his job well, we can expect him to treat the US and the Constitution with the same respect and care that he'd take for any client.

by hauksdottir on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 at 01:43:39 AM EST
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