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I'm Cool With Caroline | 33 comments (33 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: I'm Cool With Caroline (none / 0)

believe me, the CIA doesn't give a shit who represents New York so long as it isn't Hugo Chavez.

by BooMan on Tue Dec 16th, 2008 at 07:56:00 PM EST
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You're kidding yourself if you believe that.

If the CIA was interested in state government in Minnesota, you can bet NY is a much higher priority, being the financial center of our world.

But don't believe me. Listen to Jesse Ventura:

http://52.thelastoutpost.com/video-4/police-state/cia-embedded-in-every-state-government.html

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue Dec 16th, 2008 at 08:02:23 PM EST
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ok, hugo chavez or jesse ventura.

by BooMan on Tue Dec 16th, 2008 at 09:41:37 PM EST
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Re: I'm Cool With Caroline (none / 1)

I just wish there were elections to replace Senators, not appoint anyone to fill out the term.

As for the CIA not caring about elections, Boo, you are delusional. If they are willing to overthrow countries around the world, and yes, Hugo Chavez would know about that, then why would they not care about politics in America? Because they're good citizens at the bottom of their dark little hearts?

But this is a delusion shared by most people. And encouraged by the media.

Read this:

http://southofheaven.typepad.com/south_of_heaven/2008/12/past-is-prologue.html

by Bob In Pacifica on Tue Dec 16th, 2008 at 11:36:05 PM EST
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listen to what Ventura said. As best as he can figure it, the CIA wanted information to improve their analysis. He joked that maybe they wanted to understand how he won so such victories could be avoided in the future, but it's more likely that they want to understand insurgency campaigns for foreign applications.

The CIA isn't some mastermind organization. Their operations division isn't going to meddle in domestic elections. Although, it's possible that they can bring down a pol that threatens important rackets (see Eliot Spitzer for one such possibility).

by BooMan on Tue Dec 16th, 2008 at 11:55:53 PM EST
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My God, Booman, they already HAVE meddled in domestic elections. Sheesh - they brought down Ross Perot, they were responsible for much of what happened in 1972 (Miles Copeland is convinced E. Howard Hunt did something to Muskie to make him cry and lose the nomination), they have contributed money to candidates, and, as you well know, they have eliminated the competition permanently when their interests were at stake.

Maybe you are saying all this to preserve your friendships in the blogosphere. I find your naivete in this matter stunning.

The CIA bragged openly in 1992 about how they had people in place in EVERY major media outlet in the country, and said this had allowed them to turn some intelligence failure stories into intelligence success stories, etc.

They controlled the Paris Review for years. I have a good article re that on my desk as I type.

They owned a high level exec at Paramount for years. There's a good long piece on that on the Internet.

And the guy who wrote the CIA memo instructing their media assets to rebut allegations that the CIA was involved in the assassination of President Kennedy showed up not too long ago in meeting of studio bigwigs set to vett a doco re the JFK assassination. (When they CIA guy gave it a green light, the producers wondered if maybe they had it wrong. They were blaming the FBI. Doh, they did have it wrong, so no wonder it got approved.)

The CIA would not be worth its salt if it were not trying hard to control the discussions on the blogospheres - especially leading lefty blogs as well as right-wing blogs. It's what they do in all other media. If you think they have higher priorities, you are so wrong. Their FIRST priority is to keep most of us in the dark as to what they are doing. How can they do that? By controlling the media. ALL of it, blogs included.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed Dec 17th, 2008 at 01:47:41 AM EST
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The CIA you have studied is not the CIA of today.

For a long time the CIA seemed to think they should run our foreign policy rather then leaving it to the president. Then they became much more obedient servants of the president. Finally, under Bush, they rebelled against the administration they served.

Without any question, the CIA worked to expose the Bush administration in the lead-up to the 2004 elections, and they failed. That's important. They are not united and they are not omnipotent.

In order for the CIA to have a concerted effort to lead the blogosphere, they'd have to have a clearly defined purpose. Their only obvious purpose over the last seven years has been to protect their image at the expense of the president and his administration.

They have not been active in defending the administration at all, in my experience.

And, yes, there are rogues on both sides, including people I have dealt with intimately, who push agendas. But they're retired and acting on their own in their own interests, and not at the direction of the DCI or anyone else high up.

There are spies gathering intelligence, but there is no strategy.

by BooMan on Wed Dec 17th, 2008 at 02:05:57 AM EST
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That's such baloney. That's like saying the America today is not the America of the 60s. Yes it is. That's part of the problem. We're still trying on imperialism, and it's still not fitting.

Re those acting on their own - doh, that is how it ALWAYS has been, and ALWAYS will be, because there's no oversight when you have covert ops, BY DEFINITION. That's the problem.

I have no beef with the DCI. They aren't the ones running the show, in case you haven't figured it out.

The intelligence world is run on an overt level at one stratum, but by independent, well-connected operatives on another. The various strata together make up a machine that sometimes is more powerful than the sum of its parts.

But don't kid yourself they are not running domestic media operations. Seriously, Booman. That history has a long arc, and it goes back to before this country existed. There's nothing more powerful than the press, and those who want power have always and will always seek to control it - not just "even in" but ESPECIALLY in the blogosphere.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu Dec 18th, 2008 at 12:39:08 PM EST
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