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Hey there, I'll ignore the name calling, cause you are bigger than that I know.

What I stated was that there would just as well be "an opposite reaction" with Obama getting the nomination.

You speak eloquently on behalf of black americans, but your argument is not against anything I wouldn't acknowledge or anticipate happening if Clinton were to get the nomination.

by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Mar 24th, 2008 at 05:52:03 PM EST
It's good of you to come over here and respond Jerome.  Personally, I dislike it when bloggers decide to respond to each other on their own blogs rather than just coming over and engaging in face to face (so to speak) dialog.  So kudos to you.

I understand what you are saying about there being an opposite reaction if Hillary doesn't get the nomination.  But I don't think that it is an "equal and opposite" reaction.  

I've seen no evidence, for instance, from the Latino community that leads me to believe a large portion of that community of voters would be so upset if the superdelegates gave the nomination to Obama only because Obama had a pledged delegate lead that they would refuse to vote for Obama.  Perhaps though you could provide a link to some evidence of that.

I've also not seen that reaction from women voters in real life (plenty of it on-line, but on-line is only a tiny percentage of real life).  And I've talked to a lot of women.  If the superdelegates choose Obama because he has a pledged delegate lead, my take on the real life community of women voter in my area would be that they would shrug and say ok, that's the way it is.

But if the superdelegates were to choose Hillary over Obama while Obama had the lead in pledged delegates, the feedback I'm getting from my local black community is that they would see Hillary as an illegitimate nominee and would (at best) not vote for her and (at worst) stay home.  I say "at worst" because Dems in my state can't win without the black vote and so staying home would affect every downticket race.

Now, I'm well aware that the superdelegates can decide this matter in whatever way they want.  They can flip a coin.  They can consult a ouija board.  They can hold up the candidates for promises of tangible rewards.

But I believe that most of them also see that there would not be an equal and opposite reaction to the choices between choosing Obama and Hillary when Obama has the lead in pledged delegates.  And they will base their choice, in part, on that.  I also honestly believe that if they don't, the Democratic party will be damaged, perhaps irreparably.  But of course that's just my opinion.

by maryb2004 on Mon Mar 24th, 2008 at 07:05:37 PM EST
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Right, again, I didn't say "equal and opposite reaction," but instead said "opposite reaction" on purpose with that distinction.

I really don't pretend to know wich is equal or which is greater, but I've blogged that there's a reaction going on for both sides; surely Longman has read the same recent exit polls and those recent out of PA, showing it to be the case on both sides.

by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Mar 24th, 2008 at 07:50:08 PM EST
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Speaking for myself: she's forever and always lost my vote. At this point, I will only vote down ticket so I can call Donna Edwards my congresswoman and vote on whatever local issue comes up.

But as far as encouraging folks to go to the polls if she steals this thing, even to vote for downticket races...mmmm, not so much.

It would represent the first non-involvement since I reached voting age. But it must be done if this is the path they take.

Their lies will not be rewarded by this voter.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Mon Mar 24th, 2008 at 11:35:37 PM EST
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but .... if everyone just stays away from the polls and she loses that's one thing.  She can only speculate on WHY she lost.

If everyone goes to the polls in HUGE numbers and votes for all the downticket Dems  who then WIN  because of the big turnout - it will a much bigger slap in the face.   imo

by maryb2004 on Mon Mar 24th, 2008 at 11:41:11 PM EST
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You know, you may be right about that--I just don't know if I could be bothered.

It's been sixteen years of this. It's not like I haven't supported them in the past, through thick and thin. Through all of their collective bullshit, I have supported them and defended them.

I. Am. Done.

It is time for a different way. Beyond time.

If mutually assured destruction is what they seek, mutually assured destruction is what they shall find.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Tue Mar 25th, 2008 at 08:38:10 AM EST
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ah well.

I was just practicing my act in case Hillary is at the top of the ticket.  I have to tell you though, I'm going to be pretty ticked off at those people in my state who would stay home because of Hillary and risk us having another Republican governor.  

by maryb2004 on Tue Mar 25th, 2008 at 02:31:09 PM EST
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l'm assuming this scenario means leaving the presidential selection blank or voting for a third part>or you could always write in chris.

should she steal the nomination, that's certainly a viable option here in Co.

she cannot win here, the caucuses, and all the polling to date bear that out in no uncertain terms.

but then we don't figure into her big state strategy.

l hope the adults take charge soon.

lTMF'sA...the revolution will not be televised...Peace

by dada on Tue Mar 25th, 2008 at 02:41:14 PM EST
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Jerome-

We don't have to delve any further into your comments than its opening.

I don't get all this talk about how the Democrats cannot afford to not choose Obama, because of fear of alienating the African-American vote.

I'm taking you at your word that you don't understand this.  If you don't understand it then you are lacking any real experience interacting with the black community.

I spent 2004 working with the black community in both the south (Florida) and the north (Pennsylvania) to register voters and get out the vote.  It was a very difficult job to convince people that their votes would be counted because the 2000 vote was still a raw nerve.  I was reduced to arguing that Bush could steal a close election but he couldn't steal a blowout.  That was often the only way I could penetrate the cynicism and resignation of the black community.

It's impossible to say how much the 2000 experience depressed black turnout in 2004, but it was the single greatest obstacle to getting people to register and then getting them to vote.

I can express in words how devastating it will be to the black community if Barack Obama wins the pledged delegates and does not get the nomination.  

On the other hand, if Obama does win the nomination, the registration and turnout will be unheard of and will benefit candidates downticket in statewide races all over the country.

That will be true whether or not Obama ultimately loses.  The black voting bloc will be disappointed but they will remain loyal to the party and engaged in politics.  

If you cannot see it, then I really don't think you are qualified to do the job you do.

by BooMan on Mon Mar 24th, 2008 at 09:05:09 PM EST
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In case Booman's point didn't get through: he's saying that the backlash against an Obama win would be smaller in scope, both because Obama has more support among the public and because his win would be legitimate - clearly following the will of the electorate. A backlash against a Clinton win would be larger and more widespread, since she has less support among the public and her win would be illegitimate - overturning the will of the electorate.

Unless you can articulate some legitimate path to victory for Clinton based on the remaining states that does not involve continuing her current GOP-derived methods, stealing delegates from Obama, or convincing the superdelegates to overturn Obama's victory, his analysis seems sound.

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?

by Egarwaen on Mon Mar 24th, 2008 at 06:00:55 PM EST
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I agree about you interpretation of what the backlash would be like given where we stand today, but there's still more than 2 months worth of contests to go, and FL & MI outcomes to be decided. I'm not going to pretend to know what the landscape will look like in June.
by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Mar 24th, 2008 at 07:51:57 PM EST
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FL and MI should not be seated, period. They broke the rules. Do we stand for the rule of law, or do we stand with Bush and his supporters for the rule of convenience? What message does it send to respect an election where there was only one candidate on the ballot? If that's the kind of democracy Clinton advocates, I want no part of it.

As for the remaining states, I repeat my question: can you see any way for Hillary to win that does not require continuing her repulsive, Rovian smear campaign or overturning the will of the people at the convention?

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?

by Egarwaen on Mon Mar 24th, 2008 at 08:32:55 PM EST
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FL and MI should not be seated, period. They broke the rules. Do we stand for the rule of law, or do we stand with Bush and his supporters for the rule of convenience?

er, we are not talking about laws, we are talking about the rules of the Democratic National Convention, which are subject to change, there is even a procedure for that.

If we want to win in Nov FL and MI must be seated. If their votes are arbitrarily assigned without any reference to the voters in those states, not only will we lose both states in Nov, we will have betrayed our principles and sacrificed the moral high ground.

We have to see this from the voter's point of view, not our candidate's. Elections are not about who wins, they are about who chooses.

by AliceDem on Mon Mar 24th, 2008 at 08:42:01 PM EST
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And rules are made to be broken, right? You can just change them in mid-stream, right? And I guess it doesn't matter that the other 44 states (excluding the early primary/caucus states plus MI and FL) followed the rules, does it?

But "It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything applied only when she was expecting a coronation. She wasn't indignant back then, in October.

That's. Not. Rain.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Mon Mar 24th, 2008 at 09:55:54 PM EST
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If what you say is true, a Democratic Presidential victory is impossible without Dean's 50-state plan - which, by the way, Obama supports and Clinton violently, venomously, and vehemently opposes. The state legislatures that the Clintons and their allies ceded to the Republicans can destroy the Democratic nomination process at will.

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?
by Egarwaen on Mon Mar 24th, 2008 at 10:13:19 PM EST
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We have to see this from the voter's point of view, not our candidate's. Elections are not about who wins, they are about who chooses.

I'm sorry, but this is pure opportunistic garbage.

Michigan, and Michigan alone, is at fault for breaking DNC rules and shooting itself in the foot (oven mitt?), and for not allowing a do-over.  It was offered the chance, and Her Majesty's bestest bigwigs were all in favor of funding it themselves (nevermind the questions of fraud that should've raised among all sane people).

There was a poll done on this in Florida recently, and the poll showed that only 24% of Dems in God's Waiting Room wanted the delegates to be seated based upon that joke of a contest.  The overwhelming majority wanted delegates either split 50/50 or assigned based upon the popular vote.

Nice try, thanks for playin'.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Mar 25th, 2008 at 07:50:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's the problem, which Clinton supporters are also willfully stupid about.

All candidates agreed that a Democratic vote in both MI and FL contests would not count. Us Michiganders--all my friends anyway--voted for folks like Ron Paul, just to toss a wrench into the GOP race. Again, the Dem vote would not be counted, we were assured. Plus, our candidate was NOT EVEN ON THE TICKET, because it was agreed the Dem vote would not count.

You have no clue as to how pissed we would be if all of a sudden we hear that we were lied to and tricked. That is a far greater outrage than a Clinton-fueled Johnny-come-lately faux outrage manufactured AFTER the bogus results came in. If the candidates wanted MI and FL seated, they should NEVER have agreed to a faux election that did nothing less than bamboozle the electorate. That is the very definition of disenfranchisement.

by rhetoricus on Tue Mar 25th, 2008 at 02:40:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You've illustrated exactly the problem that I talked about to somebody else about a month ago.  

What makes the election illegitimate is only partly that people were told that their vote wouldn't count.  

But the other part is equally as important. Voters who may have supported Candidate A made the choice to instead stay home or vote Republican because they were told that the votes of all the people who showed up to vote for Candidate B weren't going to count either.  

As a voter you were relying on the fact that the votes cast for Hillary wouldn't count when you made your choice about whether to vote or whether to cross over.

I simply do not see how anyone can make a claim that the FL or MI elections were legitimate expressions of the will of the voters of those states.

by maryb2004 on Tue Mar 25th, 2008 at 02:59:52 PM EST
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Well, truthfully MI and FL were always going to be seated.  Everyone assumed that this whole thing would be over by SuperTuesday and Hillary would win.  Once she had enough delegates to lock it up she would move for FL and MI to be seated.

The same thing can happen with Obama too though.  He can slog through to the end; then the superdelegates move en masse to endorse him.  As long as he gets enough supers to lock it up he can move to have them seated too.

The only way it doesn't work is if the superdelegates don't move to endorse one candidate in June.  I don't think that's likely - I think there will be tremendous pressure on them to end it and once a large enough block moves the rest will follow (probably including some of those currently endorsing Hillary).  

The biggest problem really is all this talk by Hillary about disenfranchising them means that she's getting MI and FL all riled up.  For nothing.  

by maryb2004 on Mon Mar 24th, 2008 at 08:58:30 PM EST
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I don't know you, nor can I fathom why you are considered to be such a big deal, but the words attributed to you by Booman were as offensive as they were uninformed.

Can't hear ya, Peach!
by AP on Mon Mar 24th, 2008 at 06:33:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Just words.
by Jerome Armstrong on Mon Mar 24th, 2008 at 07:52:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
And quite telling.

Can't hear ya, Peach!
by AP on Mon Mar 24th, 2008 at 09:13:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

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