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A Note to the Hillophiles | 40 comments (40 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: A Note to the Hillophiles (none / 0)

haven't you learned by now that I'm not into the game of writing crap I don't really think like, 'Clinton needs to win by 20 points or she loses.' ??

I'm not going to pretend that Clinton supporters (at least in the blogosphere) are good at math or have a firm grasp on reality. You've read the threads. It's frightening. And I don't give a shit if they are mad at me. I'm not real pleased with them.

It's not my job to make them love Obama.

by BooMan on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 09:01:57 PM EST
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Re: A Note to the Hillophiles (none / 0)

yep. I know you well.

You think they are stupid. You are going to tell them so and if they get pissed off at you (and all the other Obama supporters who treat them like crap) so be it. Even if it means they decide to stay home in November out of spite.

Personally, I'd like them to vote for Obama. Even if they have to hold their nose.

And no I haven't read the threads. Intentionally.

I left the Hillary supporting sites so I wouldn't be reading the threads. So that I could still be nice to all those people once we're on the same side.

I truly have no idea why you read the threads. It's one thing to read the blogger but who on earth do you read the threads?

Of course you don't have to make them love Obama. And of course you can pitch a fit about Jerome or Armando or whoever those other people are. They love the attention.

But I think you're very silly to be insulting the Clinton supporters in general.

by maryb2004 on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 09:12:01 PM EST
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Re: A Note to the Hillophiles (none / 0)

If someone is going to base their vote in November on what I say in April...

what am I saying? That'll never happen.

by BooMan on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 09:20:46 PM EST
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Re: A Note to the Hillophiles (none / 0)

True, it's unlikely.

On the other hand it took me a long time to come around to voting for Obama and part of that was because his on-line supporters were (and are) incredibly obnoxious. I kept finding myself attributing their attitudes to him. It's one reason I stopped reading all candidate diaries at dkos (and I still mostly avoid them - even people like Kid Oakland who I normally love to read).

So don't minimize the impact of your words combined with all the other words. It can impact things like how long it takes to get them fully on board. Is the cooling off period going to be 30 days, 60 days or are they still going to be fighting their anger going into the end of October? Because a grudging vote is fine. But a pre-meditated vote with monetary contributions and on the ground support is even better.

Stick with insulting Jerome and Armando. Really. Everyone will be happier in the long run. Including Jerome and Armando.

by maryb2004 on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 09:29:33 PM EST
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Re: A Note to the Hillophiles (none / 1)

I think your problem (or your wisdom) is that you don't read the HillBot threads. If you did, you'd know exactly who I'm talking to and why.

But your post did give me a chuckle (in a good way).

by BooMan on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 09:40:56 PM EST
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Re: A Note to the Hillophiles (none / 0)

BooMan,

I'm a witness. I've seen the charges about Obama, his Kenyan cousin, Auchi, Rezko and the rest of that nonsense. LOL!
I even had to beat a guy into submission after he interviewed someone about the above.

by Cee on Fri Apr 18th, 2008 at 08:27:24 AM EST
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Re: A Note to the Hillophiles (none / 1)

I understand your concern in part. As a former Edwards supporter, it was difficult to shift my support to Obama. I really resented the pressure from some Obama supporters for Edwards to drop out or for Edwards supporters to shift their support because the odds were low that he could win. Edwards said that he was going to the convention and I was willing to back him until then whether he won or not. I also was and still am willing to back the Democratic nominee in November. Part of the reason I was willing to back Edwards all the way was because I felt that he stood for a cause (my cause) and that no other candidate was willing to fight for it in the way that Edwards was.

So, I can understand if, for some reason, Hillary's supporters feel attached to their candidate and resent pressure for her to drop out. What I don't understand is their willingness to support her in sliming her opponent. I don't understand the magical thinking or the efforts to disregard the popular vote. I certainly don't see how anyone could perceive her persistence in this campaign is for the good of a noble cause, win or lose, to which she must give voice at the convention. (Can't they see that the Clintons don't ask what they can do for the Party, but what the Party can do for them!?!). I'm sorry, I just don't think there is a gentle way to get through to her hardcore supporters, just as there is no gentle way to get through to her. The only way to send a clear message is for her to lose decisively one of her "strong" states or, even better, for a majority of Superdelegates to commit to Obama -- sooner rather than later.

Of course, those outcomes are out of Obama supporters' hands. So pressuring Hillary true-believers to abandon her before such a decisive defeat may be resented.

A Progressive Christian perspective on I/P at Beyond Bethlehem

by RustyPipes (rustdotypipesatyahoodotcom) on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 10:28:39 PM EST
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