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Reporting Delusions | 35 comments (35 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Reporting Delusions (none / 0)

At least he admits she is getting her speaking points from Karl Rove.

Doing My Part For The Left

by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 08:04:57 PM EST

Re: Reporting Delusions (none / 1)

This is really kewl.

by BooMan on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 08:08:37 PM EST
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Re: Reporting Delusions (4.00 / 3)

that is going to be a powerful message to all the indian nations...especially in the mtn west and southwest...they've been getting screwed by the govt for many, many moons.

chalk up anoter bloc of voters who, in large measure, have never thought that their participation mattered.

the more l see of his campaign, the more impressed l become. there hasn't been a movement to a candidate of this magnitude since fdr [ims]

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 08:42:26 PM EST
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Re: Reporting Delusions (4.00 / 2)

So we take all their land, and hundreds of years later no presidential candidate or president has had the decency to visit these folks before?

Jesus.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 09:50:11 PM EST
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I noted that (none / 0)

That's actually kind of surprising to me. It seems like such a "duh" thing to do. That's depressing.

~~~THIS SPACE FOR RENT~~~

by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:27:03 PM EST
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Re: Reporting Delusions (none / 1)

OMG this is incredible!!!!

Doing My Part For The Left

by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 08:14:19 PM EST
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Re: Reporting Delusions (none / 1)

One Who Helps People Throughout the Land

I like that.

And that he vowed to honor the treaties.

by maryb2004 on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 08:19:43 PM EST
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Good for you, Barack Obama, good for you. Recognition of the first Americans and respect for ancient treaties, two reasons for the Great Spirit to shower you with his blesings.

Amen

To survive cruelties, children had to conceal their own feelings from themselves. Alice Miller The Truth Will Set You Free, p.96

by Daredevil Don on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 10:00:54 PM EST
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Re: Reporting Delusions (none / 1)

I agree with all of your comments.....What a terrrrrrific thing to do as a presidential candidate.

by BrendaStewart (stormyweather1@hotmail.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 10:23:09 PM EST
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Re: Reporting Delusions (none / 1)

From a crassly political standpoint, this is great. The Crows are a huge minority in south central and southeastern Montana. I had several Crow friends when I lived in Billings. Granted they're still small potatoes in the grand scheme of things -- the Crows would be about 1% of the state's population if all of them lived in Montana, which they don't -- but this is a signal to other Native American tribes.

I have to wonder about the specifics of it, though. I mean, not too long ago the Lakota declared themselves to be a free and sovereign nation. I have to wonder what will become of that? And the various tribes that have for one reason or another been declared extinct and legislated out of existence?

Still, this sounds good and I hope he follows through.

We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.

Now the real work begins.

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 12:43:43 AM EST
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Re: Reporting Delusions (none / 0)

From the late 1940s through the early 1960s, known as the period of Termination, over a hundred tribes were "legislated out of existence." However, since Kennedy and Nixon ended Termination, nearly all of these tribes have been legislated back into existence. The trouble is that some of them, particularly in the NW, lost their tribal lands in the process.

As for the Lakota as a "free and sovereign nation" - Indian tribes have always been considered sovereign nations, although especially in the later 19th and early 20th century this was regarded by the US government as a "legal fiction," i.e. without any practical consequences other than that they were competent to sign treaties and transfer land to the US. Only the SIx Nations Iroquois (whose territory, BTW, straddles the Canadian/US border) assertively exercised their sovereignty, sending representatives to the League of Nations, for example, and declaring war on Germany and Japan. Under FDR, the meaning of sovereignty was greatly expanded; the Termination period was of course going the other way, but since then the idea of tribal sovereignty has become firmly established in American law.

Thre are some other tribes that or traditional factions of those tribes that have always strongly exercised their sovereignty in various ways, such as at Hopi (AZ) or Red Lake (MN) and others.

However, sovereignty is understood in various ways. Every state is sovereign; they conduct their own affairs up to a point, but they are not free to conduct their own foreign policy, for example.

The Lakota, not to be confuesd with their relatives the Dakota and Nakota (all commonly called "Sioux") -- live on four different reservations -- Standing Rock, Pine Ridge, Rosebud, and Cheyenne River.

by priscianus jr on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 08:45:35 AM EST
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Re: Reporting Delusions (none / 0)

"Every state is sovereign" -- I meant every state in the United States. Tribal sovereignty as it is understood today has often been compared with the sovereignty of the states of the United States.

by priscianus jr on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 08:48:38 AM EST
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