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Plan 2012 | 50 comments (50 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Plan 2012 (none / 0)

Wow, this is truly Clinton derangement syndrome. If she loses the nomination then she will be Senator from NY for the rest of her career.

Truly, this theory works better for Obama, who is younger than Clinton.

but it doesn't work for either. If we lose this year they will both be despised. Sort of like Mark Green and Fernando Ferrer.

There are going to be millions of Democratic women who will be very angry if Clinton isn't the nominee, but somehow that doesn't matter.

Let's not borrow trouble, lets let the process play out.

Incidentally, Dean was on the Daily Show last night and said MI and FL will be seated. The reality oriented community knows you cannot freeze out those states and win in November.

by AliceDem on Fri May 2nd, 2008 at 12:01:17 PM EST
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Re: Plan 2012 (none / 0)

yes, but they will not be seated in a way that gives Clinton the nomination.

by BooMan on Fri May 2nd, 2008 at 12:03:06 PM EST
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Truly, this theory works better for Obama, who is younger than Clinton.

How's that now?

Millions of Democratic women will be angry but without any real reason. Obama will be the nominee simply by virtue of the fact that he won. I don't argue that this doesn't matter. I simply argue that it is stupid to not show up for Obama simply because you want to have revenge on him for defeating po' lil' Hill'ry and her sleazeball campaign. So what, exactly, is your point?

I do believe FL and MI will be seated. But I'll guarantee they won't make a difference in the outcome, because nobody's going to take Hillary's Soviet-esque victory out of Michigan seriously. Florida has some wiggle room, since everyone was on the ballot, but Michigan does not.

They might both be hated if Dems lose. Hillary will be, at the very least. But if Clinton drags it to a bloody convention, I submit that she'll be the hated one, and rightly so.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 2nd, 2008 at 12:10:25 PM EST
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Re: Plan 2012 (none / 0)

Yes, she will be a New York senator for the rest of her career. But that career will end in 2012. She will not get reelected after her showing in this primary. No.

by Quentin on Fri May 2nd, 2008 at 12:25:22 PM EST
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Re: Plan 2012 (none / 0)

You say, "There are going to be millions of Democratic women who will be very angry if Clinton isn't the nominee..."
I'm one Democratic woman who will be thrilled when Obama is named the nominee, and Hillary's campaign is history.
If Hillary's racist dog whistles, illegal and unethical campaign tactics, character smears and pledges to "obliterate" other countries with nuclear weapons sounds like feminism to you, so be it. To this feminist it's old-style patriarchal politics, this time played by someone who happens to be female.
That there are women who back her with the explanation that we need to have a woman President, makes me embarrassed for my gender. Obviously men don't have a monopoly on foolishness.

by CarolynC on Fri May 2nd, 2008 at 01:12:26 PM EST
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Re: Plan 2012 (none / 0)

Me too. I had a positive attitude toward her in the beginning of the campaign, but I don't want my country run the way she's run her campaign.

by Joyful Alternative on Fri May 2nd, 2008 at 03:11:07 PM EST
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Re: Plan 2012 (none / 0)

Make that two middle aged white women.

by NancyImpeachBush on Fri May 2nd, 2008 at 10:20:42 PM EST
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Plan 2012 | 50 comments (50 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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