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The Hardline Ritual | 35 comments (35 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: The Hardline Ritual (none / 1)

It's not an either/or proposition.

Smarter folks that me know where to pick up the pieces from eight years of neglect and mismanagement and try to restart a peace process. At this point, I don't know where to begin given the fragmented political situation between Fatah and Hamas. But it's important that a process is established and that the Arab world see it as a good faith process. If nothing else, that dissipates the instinct for anti-American violence. And that has to be a core national security issue.

by BooMan on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 12:53:50 PM EST
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Re: The Hardline Ritual (none / 1)

That's a good point.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 01:18:45 PM EST
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Re: The Hardline Ritual (none / 0)

"where to pick up the pieces from eight years of neglect and mismanagement and try to restart a peace process."

The United States has no place being involved in any kind of "peace process". It has proved over and over and over again that it cannot and will never be an "honest broker" between Israel and the Palestinians. The rest of the world, especially the Arab world, figured that out a long time ago. Unfortunately, few Americans have.

"I don't know where to begin given the fragmented political situation between Fatah and Hamas."

Do you know how, for what purpose, and by whom this fragmented political situation was created?

"But it's important that a process is established and that the Arab world see it as a good faith process."

The Arab world will never see it as a good faith process as long as the United States is involved, and they have a very good reason for that - it never will be a good faith process with the United States as part of it.

"If nothing else, that dissipates the instinct for anti-American violence."

What "instinct for anti-American violence"? Anti-American violence is not an instinct (or perhaps you just chose the wrong word there?).

And look, it is going to take a whole lot more to defuse the negative feelings about the United States, which are based on a whole lot more than the knowledge that the United States supports Israel against the interest and fundamental human rights of the Palestinians. It has at least as much to do with the United States' support of bloody dictators against movements toward democracy in the Arab and Muslim worlds.

"And that has to be a core national security issue."

I agree that the United States' conduct of its affairs in the Middle East is a core national security issue. I'm just not sure we agree on the specifics.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Fri May 23rd, 2008 at 05:39:01 PM EST
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Re: The Hardline Ritual (none / 0)

I don't disagree with the basic thrust of your arguments but I do disagree that there can be any decent solution for the Palestinians that doesn't involve the United States. At the same time, there is both a problem of bias here, and of a totally fractured Palestine there.

by BooMan on Fri May 23rd, 2008 at 05:46:18 PM EST
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Re: The Hardline Ritual (none / 0)

Thanks for the response.

On the contrary, in order for there to be a decent solution for the Palestinians the United States needs to stay out of it for the simple reason that the United States will ALWAYS favour Israel, which will never accept a decent solution for the Palestinians as long as it has the backing of such a powerful ally.

I trust you are aware of what the Arab League has offered twice and what Israel has twice refused, even as a basis for negotiation. The Arab League offered full recognition of and normalized relations with Israel - embassies and everything - in exchange for a full withdrawal by Israel to a modified 1967 boundary according to the letter and spirit of UNSC Resolution 242. In other words, they offered far more than just peace, they offered virtually everything Israel claims that it wants, and Israel refused. (And by the way, Hamas has agreed with the offer.)

The United States has made no effort - NONE - to pressure Israel to accept this truly generous offer or even to use it as a basis for negotiation.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Fri May 23rd, 2008 at 06:07:05 PM EST
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