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THE BOOKS WITH "BUZZ":
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Senator Edward M. Kennedy tells his extraordinary personal story:

True Compass: A Memoir
by Edward M. Kennedy.

Read Barack Obama's vision for America:

The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream
by Barack Obama

Boran2 and maryb2004 recommend:

The Big Over Easy: A Nursery Crime
by Jasper Fforde

Must-have information for all presidents-and citizens-of the twenty-first century?

Physics for Future Presidents: The Science behind the Headlines
Richard A. Muller

rae recommends:

Dark Ages America: The Final Phase of Empire
by Morris Berman.

On BooMan’s shelf:

Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln
by Doris Kearns Goodwin

This looks interesting:

Adventure Divas
by Holly Morris

Here’s a good one from
Elizabeth Gilbert:

Eat Pray Love
by Elizabeth Gilbert

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Recommended by Indianadem and ejmw:
The Conscience of a Liberal
by Paul Wellstone

From northcountry’s bookshelf:

The New Golden Age:
The Coming Revolution Against
Political Corruption and Economic Chaos
by Ravi Batra

A novel about contractors in Iraq from the woman that runs The Spy That Billed Me:

Outsourced: A Novel
from RJ Hillhouse.


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Challenging Empire: How People, Governments, and the UN Defy US Power by Phyllis Bennis (interviewed on DN!)


Featured by Keith Olbermann, New (Powell's Sale): Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower by William Blum (whose other books merit serious consideration)


"Explosive" State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration
by James Risen


The book the CIA doesn't want you to read: Jawbreaker: The Attack on Bin Laden and Al Qaeda: A Personal Account by the CIA's Key Field Commander
Larry Johnson's review


BT's all-time best seller:

PERMACULTURE:
A Designers' Manual

$79.95 * Sale: $59.95


Unequal Sisters: A Multicultural Reader in U.S. Women's History (Third Edition)


The Undercover Economist: Exposing Why the Rich Are Rich, the Poor Are Poor And Why You Can Never Buy a Decent Used Car!


The Worst Hard Time: The Untold Story of Those Who Survived the Great American Dust Bowl
by Timothy Egan


Green Press Initiative
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Journalistas: 100 Years of the Best Writing and Reporting by Women Journalists by Eleanor Mills * NYT review


Bury Me Standing: the Gypsies & Their Journey


1491: New Revelations of the Americas before Columbus



Brokeback Mountain
by Annie Proulx
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Imperial Ambitions: Conversations on the Post-9/11 World by Noam Chomsky (Power & Terror: Post 9-11 Talks)


The Price of Privilege:

How Parental Pressure and
Material Advantage Are Creating a Generation of
Disconnected and Unhappy Kids

by Madeline Levine


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How did this become about Hillary Clinton?  My comment said nothing about Hillary Clinton and personally I am not interested in discussing Hillary Clinton.   I'm here to talk about Nancy Pelosi and your statement about her.

What's probably causing the problem here is that you think I am saying that women should restrict themselves to exercising power in a feminine style.  Or, in other words, women should avoid violating people's expectations about how women should act.  I am emphatically not saying that.

No.  I absolutely don't think you are saying that women should avoid violating people's expectations about how women should act.  But I think that society in general does have expectations about how women should act that are unrealistic and are limiting to women.  And I think that your labeling of Pelosi's style is perpetuating a stereotype that feeds those expectations and, therefore, you should be careful about using them.

My comment is all about the force of language.  Not all the biological stuff you all are discussing below.

Pointing something out is not the same as perpetuating something ...

Yes, it can be.  Language has force even when the intent is not the effect.

There is a distinctively feminine style of doing things, even if it does not apply to all women.  

No.  There is a general attitude in a society that has been largely shaped by male thought that there is a way of doing something that is deemed feminine.  And that general attitude carries a judgment with it (depending on the circumstances it can be good or bad). It is the judgment that goes along with the label that is often the problem.  For men and for women who are labeled feminine instead of being described by their characteristics.  

Clinton has a distinctively unfeminine style of politics, which is why she grates on a lot of people.

Leaving aside Clinton (who I don't want to talk about) does a man who has the same style of politics grate on a lot of people?   Maybe.  In which case the style is grating - it doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman doing it.  Or in some cases is there a double standard when it comes to male and female politicians and is that double standard perpetuated when women politicians like Nancy Pelosi are complimented for having a "feminine" style?

I don't like Pelosi's style because it fulfills my ideal of femininity (it doesn't), but because she is effective.  

Then you should simply have written about how she found an effective style and strategy and not labeled it as feminine.  

Why doesn't Pelosi get due credit for her toughness?  Because people are used to the kind of toughness used by Tom DeLay and Karl Rove, not the kind of toughness that sneaks up on you or disarms you.   These two explanations are basically the same.  Yet, only the latter elicits charges of sexism, while the other is used extensively in the service of combating sexism.  Why is that?

I'm not sure I even understand what you are saying ( what do you mean by the latter and the former?) but I really don't understand why you complaining about whatever it is to me.  I didn't say that a statement that the kind of toughness that sneaks up on you or disarms you is sexist.  Some men use that kind of power too.    I know quite a few male lawyers who negotiate in a disarming, schmoozing way that is quite effective.   Nobody calls them feminine.   They call them smooth.   Maybe Nancy Pelosi is smooth.  

by maryb2004 on Thu May 29th, 2008 at 04:19:24 PM EST
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The former:

Why do Hillary's negatives go up when she attacks more than Obama's go up when he attacks?  Partly it is a matter of personality, but it's also because people expect men to be aggressive and do not expect women to be aggressive.  Hardly anyone disputes this.

The latter:

Why doesn't Pelosi get due credit for her toughness?  Because people are used to the kind of toughness used by Tom DeLay and Karl Rove, not the kind of toughness that sneaks up on you or disarms you.

The former is invoked as the double-standard that is form of sexism in both the workplace and in politics.

But the latter is really an identical argument, and yet used, in this case, to accuse of sexism.

In both cases, the point is that people have gender expectations, not that this is good or bad.

So why does only one argument get attacked while the other is used?  

That was my question.

by BooMan on Thu May 29th, 2008 at 04:28:34 PM EST
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Who is attacking the second one?  My previous comment said it was gender neutral.

The problem is when people use shorthand to describe this strategic style and call it "feminine".   Female people use both styles.  The first style isn't inherently ineffective for a woman any more than the second style is inherently effective for a woman.  

by maryb2004 on Thu May 29th, 2008 at 05:40:20 PM EST
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