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Suck on This Day: The Monster Within | 26 comments (26 topical, editorial, 1 hidden)

Re: Suck on This Day: The Monster Within (none / 0)

And with five years hindsight, he clearly could have made a case for other approaches to "pop the bubble" to end the acceptance of continue suicide/terrorist attacks in the Middle East.

If he is so smart, he could have gotten it differently.

But he chose, not reactively, and got it wrong.

There are lots of devils in this. I'd put others higher on the most wanted list.

by Andrew Longman on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 10:04:01 PM EST
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Re: Suck on This Day: The Monster Within (none / 0)

well, I don't know, Andy, he is the New York Times' Foreign Correspondent. Maybe they should have someone slightly less enthusiastic for taking human life to make a point about how big our dicks are.

With people like Friedman, the starting point is that the United States is 100% guiltless and to suggest otherwise is to Hate America. Friedman sets out to understand 9/11 from the point of view both that the United States was at zero on the had-it-coming scale and that nothing we did in response could be possibly be unjustified.

Once you start of with assumptions like those, it's short trip to knocking down doors and whipping out dicks in a country that didn't attack you, that you can't control, and that you know nothing about.

And this actually passes for seriousness. Even you buy into it rather than admitting that 9/11 gave you a slight and temporary case of brain damage. Just admit it. I have.

We went crazy as a nation. And we were raised on all this America-can-do-no-wrong bullshit, and it just warped our minds.

When Hannah Arendt talked about the banality of evil she was talking about people like Tom Friedman. It is a banal kind of evil, wrapped up in a twisted and unquestioning belief in our own moral superiority. It's the exact same kind of dangerous thinking that convinced Mohamed Atta and his 18 buddies that they were in the right to take a legitimate gripe over American support for the Mubarak and Saudi regimes and escalate into the murder of 3000 innocent Americans. Hey, if I lived in Egypt I would be opposed to Mubarak and pissed at America, too. But I wouldn't murder anyone over it. I certainly wouldn't murder totally innocent people over it. But I'm not an asshole like Tom Friedman.

by BooMan on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 10:20:09 PM EST
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Re: Suck on This Day: The Monster Within (none / 0)

America DID lose its mind after 911. I knew it then and I don't argue it now.

But an Islamic (sub)culture that thinks its OK to fly planes into buildings is mentally ill. And that culture seemed clearly to be getting more and more sick.

Going wacko in response with Homeland security silliness, wiretaps, torture, and unbound moral license is not just inexcusable, but also just dumb.

But saying, "This won't stand" is another matter. And deciding how that translates to action is yet another matter.

Taking Iraq to show we can, isn't in itself a bad idea. I wouldn't have done it, but sadly we'll never no for certain what the other options would have brought.

Trying to, and showing we actually can't take Iraq, and doing it in a way the betrays our values is folly of the highest order.

by Andrew Longman on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 06:52:48 AM EST
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Re: Suck on This Day: The Monster Within (none / 0)

Taking Iraq to show we can, isn't in itself a bad idea.

Sorry, but I choked on that sentence. And not just because it turned out we couldn't.

I think you need to really examine whatever assumptions you are using to make that statement. Trust me, whatever they are, they're deeply fucked up.

In truth, I think once you start examining those assumptions you'll discover two things.

First, you are far from thinking it wouldn't be a bad idea 'just because we could', and you actually have real reasons.

Second, those real reasons have, in retrospect, turned out not to be real reasons but the result of a lot of propaganda you were fed both in the 1990's about Iraq and since you were a baby about America's unique morally superior and indispensable role in the world.

by BooMan on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 08:35:04 AM EST
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Re: Suck on This Day: The Monster Within (none / 1)

"an Islamic (sub)culture that thinks its OK to fly planes into buildings is mentally ill. And that culture seemed clearly to be getting more and more sick."

And Iraq as a country, and Iraqis as human beings had exactly what to do with that alleged (sub)culture? To put it another way, how does the alleged existence of such a (sub)culture in any way warrant smashing up Iraq?

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 01:17:41 PM EST
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