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What This Means | 45 comments (45 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: What This Means (none / 1)

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As for the Clintons, it took a lot of money and a lot of psychic energy to defeat them. There is no way that Obama can betray that effort by inviting them back into the tent. That would make his campaign all about him, rather than all about us. This was a fight for the ideological soul of the party. But the ideology wasn't so much about health or education policy. It was about how the party is organized, who it really represents, and whether or not it will continue to be beholden to the old lobbyists, interests groups, and consultants, or whether it will become the truly people-powered party that is a necessary predicate for bringing real progressive change.

I think you misunderstand both Obama and the Vice Presidency. Firstly, you have already said that Obama is his own man, he doesn't need the blogosphere. He is betraying no one by attempting to heal the rift between the old and the new Democratic parties. That is how you achieve power - by making compromises where you have to, and change where you can. Kennedy appointed Lyndon Johnson as his VP even though he was anathema to everything he stood for.

Secondly, appointing Clinton as VP nominee is a good way of preventing her from being a problem - its better to have her inside the tent pissing out, rather than the other way around. "Keep your friends close to you, and your enemies even closer..."

Putting her on the ticket is all about healing a rift - not about sharing power. Imagining that Hilary somehow "deserves the top spot on the ticket" - now that is seriously delusional.

"We reported back to hearts what we had seen, and told our footsteps all about where we had been."

by Frank Schnittger (Frankschnittger at hotmail dotty communists) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 12:06:17 PM EST

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Unfortunately, I see no evidence that if Clinton were inside the tent that she still wouldn't be pissing inside the tent.

by Bob In Pacifica on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 12:18:27 PM EST
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Kennedy didn't appoint Lyndon because he was his opponent. He appointed him solely to appeal to the south.

This is a different race. Hillary as VP doesn't buy us anything, and costs us much.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 12:24:50 PM EST
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Moreover, Hillary Clinton is not the only woman in the world, not the only candidate that is appealing to older voters, and not the only person that appeals to Joe Six-Pack. If Obama wants to pick a running mate that helps him with those demographics, he has plenty of choices.

by BooMan on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 12:43:33 PM EST
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All excellent points!

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 01:32:17 PM EST
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And none of them have the Clinton Mafia following them around.

by Andrew Longman on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 01:32:17 PM EST
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a hearty amen. who needs a Judas?

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 12:21:48 PM EST
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Right on point.

Thank you.

The depth of Hillary hate is truly delusional.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 01:51:37 PM EST
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I don't think it's delusional at all. She earned every last scintilla of it.

by SusanD on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 01:55:27 PM EST
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