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[UPDATE] II 24 republicans join dems in sending articles of impeachment to Judiciary | 64 comments (64 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Didn't even make the news. (4.00 / 2)

What you don't understand is the very serious effort to prosecute them criminally after they leave office. I'll not talk about these efforts, but they are underway.

Which would you rather see? Impeachment, or actual jail time?

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue Jun 10th, 2008 at 03:59:59 PM EST
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Re: Didn't even make the news. (4.00 / 3)

What I understand is what I see with my own eyes, Lisa. And that amounts to about jack. There is no serious behind the scenes efforts that involve democrats. Maybe there is a non-partisan effort by elder statespeople and legal experts. Bugliosi is attempting to persuade State's District Attorneys to bring murder charges against Bush, but it sounds like the wrong angle.

No, read the quote in the diary. It is the congress that has the solemn duty to defend and protect the Constitution from a rogue president.

One more thing.
Is Kucinich priveleged to this information that you won't speak about? Or is he an idiot like me who doesn't understand these serious behind the scenes efforts you find necesarry to point out?

Green Grass and High Tides Forever

by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Tue Jun 10th, 2008 at 06:50:57 PM EST
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Re: Didn't even make the news. (none / 1)

He has his ideas, others have theirs. I'm not denigrating him. But there are limited resources, and SO MANY things to fix. Impeachment will never pass, so the Democrats don't want to waste time on that. But there are several in Congress and elsewhere working on plans to make sure they pay so this can't happen again.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue Jun 10th, 2008 at 11:38:01 PM EST
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Re: Didn't even make the news. (4.00 / 4)

Then you and I and them too I guess have different interpretations of failure. If the democrats as a body allow this president to skate away without so much as a censure then they are just as guilty as George Bush of eviserating the document upon which this country functions and of kneecapping any future congress' power to protect what's left of the constitution and the people from losing what's left of their rights.

For a supporter of a politician who fancies himself in the image of MLK and RFK

Green Grass and High Tides Forever

by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 05:45:13 AM EST
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continued.... (4.00 / 4)

....for a person who supports a politician who fancies himself in the image of MLK and RFK, I find your rationale for appeasement and abandonment of principle disturbing. Those men would not have foregone fighting and possibly losing on principal for the sake of political expediency. I'm glad that I can say I lived when they lived, even if was too young to be aware of them. It connects me to a time when there were still some who stood on principle regardless of the prospects of failure and despite the great risks.
This country and it's ability to produce people of that character no longer exists.

Green Grass and High Tides Forever

by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 05:53:49 AM EST
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Re: Didn't even make the news. (4.00 / 4)

Constitutional law professor Turley @ Crooks and Liars

Olbermann: "I've often argued here, that even if you don't think the words aren't lead to any actions, say the words anyway, simply to get them on the record for history and simply because, nothing has ever changed from bad to good in this country without somebody first saying, this is bad. Assess the importance of what Dennis Kucinich did last night."
Turley: "You know, it is very important. The fact is, that this is not supposed to happen the way it's happened in the last seven years. The framers, I think, would have been astonished by the absolute passivity, if not the collusion of the Democrats in protecting President Bush from impeachment. I mean, they created a system that was essentially idiot-proof, and God knows we've put that to the test in the past few years, but I don't think they anticipated that so many members of the opposition would stand quietly in the face of clear presidential crimes."

Green Grass and High Tides Forever

by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 07:54:59 AM EST
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Re: Didn't even make the news. (4.00 / 4)

Dead on. There is the way it is supposed to happen, well written, thoughtful, supposedly sacred and unalterable. Then there is how it has happened. As I've always maintained the Dems are just the 'Good Cop' in the backroom beating the American people have been taking for generations. They are Pepsi.

I guess, I just prefer to be lied to because I have empathy rather than greed.

Anyone know a good plumber?

by anarchronarchist (mincers (-at-) hotmail (-dot-) com) on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 09:36:15 AM EST
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Like Fitzmas? (4.00 / 4)

I don't say they're not trying. But will they succeed? We have seen failure before.

There is another problem, which Supersoling alludes to. What good does it do, really, if they see jail time but the Constitution is not restored? THAT is a scenerio I can imagine too easily. I still remember "the system worked." Of course it did: The smoothest scam in the world.

by Gaianne on Tue Jun 10th, 2008 at 08:40:28 PM EST
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Re: Didn't even make the news. (4.00 / 8)

Which would you rather see? Impeachment, or actual jail time?

Both.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Tue Jun 10th, 2008 at 08:49:30 PM EST
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Re: Didn't even make the news. (4.00 / 4)

If they won't do anything about Bush while he is still in office, why should I believe that they will do anything when he's gone? I'm sure there will be something more important to deal with. The past is done, why stir up everything?

With that line of reasoning, maybe we should close all the jails. Akuna Matata.

Land of the watched, because of the cowed.

by hens teeth on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 01:28:13 AM EST
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[UPDATE] II 24 republicans join dems in sending articles of impeachment to Judiciary | 64 comments (64 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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