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Obama is the new Kerry | 13 comments (13 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Obama is Kerry all over again (4.00 / 2)

Am I the only one on this blog who was extremely disappointed by Obama's prostration before AIPAC? Is this the kind of "change" Obama is going to give us?

And this is not just about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Obama made it as clear as he could that he is going to sacrifice US national interests to the interests of Israel, as AIPAC perceives them. And AIPAC under no circumstances wants us out of Iraq.

Change we can't believe in. No we can't!

by Alexander on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 05:02:04 PM EST

Re: Obama is Kerry all over again (4.00 / 2)

From the Black Agenda Report, Freedom Rider: Obama Obliterates Iran :

The Israelis should be rejoicing about the prospect of an Obama victory. Not only did the Senator repeat the litany of trite pro-Israeli phrases "only democracy in the Middle East," "special friendship" and so on, but he promised extra cash to Israel's already bulging United States bank account. "As president I will implement a Memorandum of Understanding that provides $30 billion in assistance to Israel over the next decade - investments to Israel's security that will not be tied to any other nation."

Obviously, for anyone who gives a shit, this pandering by Obama goes beyond the requisite lurch to the right that so many recent democratic presidential candidates has made customary. He will apparently say whatever is necesarry, depending on who he's talking to at any one time. He needs a fleet of buses now if he plans to throw the entire Palestinian population under the bus.
Pretty sickening and disheartening. Even for someone like me who has low expectations of him to begin with.

Green Grass and High Tides Forever

by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Thu Jun 12th, 2008 at 09:00:27 AM EST
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Re: Obama is Kerry all over again (none / 1)

and yet, he is still under a nasty assault by Lieberman (and his soul mates) for being insufficiently pro-Israel.

by BooMan on Thu Jun 12th, 2008 at 09:50:35 AM EST
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Re: Obama is Kerry all over again (none / 1)

So you're saying that Obama should be praised for standing firm against right wing Israeli interests because Lieberman isn't yet satisfied and wants more?

Lieberman is a unique animal. Mainly, I think because the power he percieves himself to have because of the current makeup of the balance in the Senate gives him room (so he believes) to bark louder. Any leverage he has is due mainly to the leadership having no backbone and being unwilling to take any risks whatsoever with theior majority. Lieberman should have been discredited, disgraced, and renounced by the leadership a long time ago. But like their performance in every other regard since being given a majority, they have failed. Miserably.

Obama made it perfectly clear that he can pander with the best of them. The more the man speaks, the less he actually says, so far as I'm concerned.

Green Grass and High Tides Forever

by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 09:15:57 AM EST
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AIPAC: so what? (none / 1)

Nope, didn't bother me in the slightest.

by dataguy on Thu Jun 12th, 2008 at 12:50:44 PM EST
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Re: AIPAC: so what? (none / 0)

Trolls don't count. Neither do sheep.

Change we can't believe in. No we can't!

by Alexander on Thu Jun 12th, 2008 at 02:35:27 PM EST
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Geez, comrade, we need our copy of ... (none / 1)

What is to be done?

You seem confused. Your complaint is that Obama is not a progressive.

Wow. How very perceptive of you. He never claimed to be a progressive.

Progressives are not generally electable. I'll take a centrist democrat like Obama, and thank you to quit the whining until after the election. Then, whine away.

by dataguy on Thu Jun 12th, 2008 at 02:55:15 PM EST
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Re: Geez, comrade, we need our copy of ... (none / 0)

So, it's a "centrist" position to embrace the fantasies of the Zionist right-wing? Give me a break.

Obama might never have claimed to be a progressive, but Booman suggested that Obama is a "stealth" progressive. My diary was suggesting that that reading of Booman's of Obama is becoming less plausible.

And there is no reason for me to quit my "whining" as you call it, since criticizing Obama from the left on a progressive blog cannot possibly hurt him.

Change we can't believe in. No we can't!

by Alexander on Thu Jun 12th, 2008 at 03:39:21 PM EST
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You're deluded and confused (none / 0)

Obama appeared before AIPAC. Can you imagine what the headlines would be if he did not? Obviously, you have not thought that far ahead, and that does not surprise me.

He made a modest and entirely unsurprising promise, that he would continue to support Israel. Again, what is the problem here?

You are clearly a young person, wet behind the ears, if not in other places. Politics is Kabuki theatre. You need to say certain things. He said them, and no more. No problems, dude.

by dataguy on Thu Jun 12th, 2008 at 04:05:33 PM EST
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Re: You're deluded and confused (none / 0)

It doesn't look like you read Uri Avnery's post very carefully. (He's a pretty old guy, btw.)

I take your saying I'm a young person as a compliment. I do listen to music that people 25 years younger than I listen to, so maybe it's the same when it comes to politics.

I've got to hit the road now, so I won't be able to continue our pleasant little chat.

Change we can't believe in. No we can't!

by Alexander on Thu Jun 12th, 2008 at 04:36:06 PM EST
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Obama is the new Kerry | 13 comments (13 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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