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Dear Booman (and others who might help),

I have a question about the state of the public discussion of single-payer health care, at the level of ideas and principles at an economic level. First, some background comments:
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I agree with Keynes that "The ideas of economists and political philosophers, both when they are right and when they are wrong, are more powerful than is commonly understood. Indeed the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist."

Often these ruling ideas have devolved into a simplistic form, like the simplistic market fundamentalism that is today a background to much of what is said about (among other things) health care.

The idea that single-payer health care systems are superior clashes with the idea that minimally regulated markets are always the best way to organize the production and delivery of goods and services. To argue for single-payer in terms of concrete facts (successes overseas, problems with the US system, etc.) doesn't address a key problem as seen by thoughtful, principled market fundamentalists and their fellow travelers: Advocacy of "socialized medicine" seems to open the door to advocacy of socialized everything, which they know in their bones is Bad.

What principle draws a line here? How could they possibly acquiesce to single payer without abandoning their core beliefs? Without an answer to this, advocacy of single-payer is an assault on a fiercely defended intellectual fortress, and will be fought to the death.

It might be nice to avoid this, especially if it is entirely unnecessary.
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That said, here is the question:

Who is arguing (and where?) that health insurance markets are fundamentally different from other markets, in ways that can't be fixed, even in principle, by greater transparency, competition, consumer information, and so on?

The case for this can be made, briefly and persuasively, but I don't see this appearing as a visible part of the public discussion, even on the moderately wonky side of the world. Am I missing something?

I see a huge opportunity cost here. Pushing the case for a fundamental difference could melt away hard-core resistance in a small but extraordinarily influential segment of the opposition.

Words and ideas I offer here may be used freely and without attribution.

by technopolitical on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 04:10:12 PM EST
the fact of the matter is that health care advocates in this country have been trying to articulate solutions that have a realistic chance of passing.  And in the last fourteen years with a Speaker Gingrich/Hastert, what is realistic is to use health insurance, and expand who's covered.  

To advocate for single payer in a Republican congress was a total waste of time.  One result is that we have tons of health care thinkers that are now invested in their solutions and get really testy when someone criticizes them.  (See Krugman's outrage at Obama's lack of mandate for an example).  

This means that many of our natural allies are committed to insurance based solutions because that's what they've been working on for years.  

So we need a paradigm shift.  And we're not going to get it unless we bust the filibuster.  The fact that Baucus seems open-minded is a huge upside potential sign that big wins in the senate could bing that paradigm shift.

by BooMan on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 04:21:19 PM EST
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You give a good overview of the strategic situation at the level of major interests and of groups of political thinkers and actors. What I'm looking for, though, is at the level of debates about the role of government and markets in the economic organization of society. This is not about health care policy per se, but about whether single payer systems can be advocated without (implicitly) demanding that market fundamentalists abandon their core beliefs as the price of agreeing.

I would argue that deep beliefs about the proper role of government and markets underlie many stubborn arguments, even when those beliefs are not directly attacked, argued, or stated as premises. These beliefs may be secondary to concrete interests, as seen by those in the middle of the struggle, yet still play a powerful role in how the debate unfolds.

How would a single payer advocate answer the question, "If that level of intervention is right for health care, then why not for food, energy, and everything else -- isn't this really an argument for failed socialist policies?"

I would be very useful to have a well-known answer to this, but what is it? Something like "Health insurance isn't like other products, because....", but the reason given can't be that it's vital, or expensive, or a right, etc. The same could be said of food.

The reason I find persuasive is that "...the conditions that make normal markets better -- competition, free choice, better information on all sides -- would, paradoxically, make health insurance almost impossible."

Words and ideas I offer here may be used freely and without attribution.

by technopolitical on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:01:03 AM EST
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