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Learn the real story behind the WMD in Iraq:

The Way of the World: A Story of Truth and Hope in an Age of Extremism
by Ron Suskind

Read Barack Obama's vision for America:

The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream
by Barack Obama

DaveW recommends:

I Am a Strange Loop
by Douglas Hofstadter

Need some laughs?

I Am America (and So Can You!)
by Stephen Colbert

rae recommends:

Dark Ages America: The Final Phase of Empire
by Morris Berman.

On BooMan’s shelf:

Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln
by Doris Kearns Goodwin

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Adventure Divas
by Holly Morris

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Elizabeth Gilbert:

Eat Pray Love
by Elizabeth Gilbert

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The Conscience of a Liberal
by Paul Wellstone

From northcountry’s bookshelf:

The New Golden Age:
The Coming Revolution Against
Political Corruption and Economic Chaos
by Ravi Batra

A novel about contractors in Iraq from the woman that runs The Spy That Billed Me:

Outsourced: A Novel
from RJ Hillhouse.


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Featured by Keith Olbermann, New (Powell's Sale): Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower by William Blum (whose other books merit serious consideration)


"Explosive" State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration
by James Risen


The book the CIA doesn't want you to read: Jawbreaker: The Attack on Bin Laden and Al Qaeda: A Personal Account by the CIA's Key Field Commander
Larry Johnson's review


BT's all-time best seller:

PERMACULTURE:
A Designers' Manual

$79.95 * Sale: $59.95


Unequal Sisters: A Multicultural Reader in U.S. Women's History (Third Edition)


The Undercover Economist: Exposing Why the Rich Are Rich, the Poor Are Poor And Why You Can Never Buy a Decent Used Car!


The Worst Hard Time: The Untold Story of Those Who Survived the Great American Dust Bowl
by Timothy Egan


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Journalistas: 100 Years of the Best Writing and Reporting by Women Journalists by Eleanor Mills * NYT review


Bury Me Standing: the Gypsies & Their Journey


1491: New Revelations of the Americas before Columbus



Brokeback Mountain
by Annie Proulx
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The Price of Privilege:

How Parental Pressure and
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by Madeline Levine


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you're not the only person in this thread that misread what I wrote.  I talked about 'representative government', not 'democracy' not our system vs. parliamentary systems.  

The point of representative government is not that the people will come to better conclusions than a senate of philosopher-kings.  For the most part, decision making is best left to experts.  But representative government ultimately overcomes this weakness by providing an orderly system of change.  While voters are vulnerable to demagoguery they do ultimately grow sick of government that doesn't work for them.  Political action also provides an avenue for hope and progress within the rule of law.  The advantages of this are best seen from what happens in countries where political action is sharply curtailed or plainly pointless.  

Freedom of assembly and speech are vitally important to creating a consent of the governed, even when people are not supportive of the government in power.  

The bottom line is that representative government will yield the best results when the populace has access to good information, is well-educated, civic-minded, and actually participates at high levels.  But even lacking these things, this form of government is still superior to systems that lack representative government.  And there are plenty of those, even if they give lip-service to having elections.

by BooMan on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:31:02 PM EST
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If representative government is so good, maybe we oughta try it. Our system primarily represents money, not citizens. It is further corrupted by overtly anti-democratic obstructions like the electoral college, gerrymandering, the two-party oligarchy, and the totally unrepresentative makeup of the Senate -- not to mention the more subtle corruptions like media access and dysfunctional campaign/electoral setups.

At a more philosophical level, you assert without evidence that "an orderly system of change" is de facto an unmixed blessing. Depends on how much change you think is essential. At best, history seems to show that  our system is better described as "an orderly system for minimal change". We'll see whether the system this time reverses the very real, and little-resisted, destruction of fundamental liberty in this country. If what we get is a half-step back to the 90s, we may have to get back into the mindset of the unrepresentative revolutionaries that founded this nation.

FDR's response to progressive demands: "I agree. Now go out and make me do it."

by DaveW on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 01:05:48 PM EST
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The American system is intentionally conservative.  That's why the Senate was created the way it was, originally without direct elections and with only a third of the body accountable in each election.  

You may dislike the system but it is doing what it was designed to do.  There are plenty of unstable parliamentary systems (most famously, Italy) that are dysfunctional because they lack stability and consistency in the law.  

America moves slowly and resists radical change for a reason.  The Founders thought the best system of government was a balance between the passion of the people and the informed consent of a landed elite.

It may take us longer to change things but it is also harder to knock us severely off-course.  The Bush administration has been the first true test of our system since Nixon.  So far, the system has failed.  But the self-correcting part is coming.  We'll see how far the spirit of reform will go.

by BooMan on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 01:12:24 PM EST
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I'm well aware of what the system is designed for: essentially to ensure rule by rich white men. At which it has succeeded remarkably well.

If you want to just assume that adequate self-correction is coming, that's certainly your privilege. IMO, Clinton and a Dem congress failed miserably to achieve the needed change. We still suffer and decline as a result of the Reaganism that continues to infect both parties. With Reaganism, America moved fast and there was no effective resistance to radical change. Unlike the New Deal or the Great Society, this was accomplished in the absence of any important crisis. I think the past quarter century tells us that the current political system is fully as dysfunctional as Italy's or any other parliamentary system you care to bring up. The difference is the amount of national wealth we've had available to postpone the consequnces of the radicalism we bought into. That huge bank account is largely squandered now, so we'll see how well the system corrects without the cushion.

FDR's response to progressive demands: "I agree. Now go out and make me do it."

by DaveW on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:15:33 PM EST
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A couple of thoughts:

Unlike the New Deal or the Great Society, this [the Reagan Revolution] was accomplished in the absence of any important crisis.

At the time there was a perception of crisis, of America at the edge of a cliff, due to the combination of high inflation, high unemployment, OPEC flexing its muscle, high urban crime, "declining morals" and a world split between two nuclear powers capable of blowing the whole thing to smithereens.  Even the president was on TV talking of "American Malaise."  In other words, a time ripe for radical change.  

I think the past quarter century tells us that the current political system is fully as dysfunctional as Italy's or any other parliamentary system you care to bring up.

It seems to me the problem is not an Italian-style impetuously-changing dysfunctionality but a USSR-style sclerotic system incapable of changing to meet the current challenges we face (like the need to fight climate change, provide health care to the population, develop alternative energy sources, etc.).  And if nature tells us anything, it is that what cannot change, dies.

Ecological collapse is already happening. Your resentment of the word doesn't change the fact that it is occurring.

by Knoxville Progressive (green_planet_2000 (at) yahoo (dot) com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 10:20:07 AM EST
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I agree with what you write, but on the last point, I don't believe every nation on earth either wants or should be a representative government. Maybe in some far-off, very civilized world deep into the New Age, but for now, each nation has a unique expression of itself, via government and culture, and it's not up to me to support my national destiny to be blanketed over to others.

As an aside, the American people have been white-washed by "spreading democracy" over and over again, when the real "spreading" has been economic pillage. I think it's dangerous for one nation to impose it's political and economic will on another when the imposed nation has it's own destiny to fulfill.

I was bad at sports as a kid, and I was forced and cajoled to go out there and embarrass myself on the basketball court and baseball field. It was humiliating for me, and it was imposed by my father and the ideals of what males should be doing, else you were an outcast. What was best for some kids was not best for me.  Same thing happens between nations.

Share. Share resources, share delight, share burdens, share the healing. Sharing will bring us back from mass suicide. www.share-international.org

by Isis on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:40:01 PM EST
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I don't believe every nation on earth either wants or should be a representative government.

This is a fascinating question to me.  If there is such a thing as "human nature", it would seem that some forms of government would be a better match for allowing the full flowering of that nature than others, and we should support the spread of the best possible government (not necessarily ours, of course).

Or are some forms best under one set of circumstances at meeting human needs, and others best in other situations?  For example, might an autocracy be best when a society as a whole is at a low place on Maslow's hierarchy of needs and a freer system when resources are more available?  Look at how many nations tried to establish democracies in the post-colonial period last century, and ended up autocracies (and many of which then ended up trying democracy again...).  What do these examples tell us?

Franklin said "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety," but then, portraits of Ol' Ben uniformly show him to be well-fed.

Ecological collapse is already happening. Your resentment of the word doesn't change the fact that it is occurring.

by Knoxville Progressive (green_planet_2000 (at) yahoo (dot) com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 10:35:42 AM EST
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I'm not sure the hierarchy of needs is the right metric.

If a country is ethnically and religiously capable of stability then representative government is preferable.  It can even help ethnic and religious minorities accept their minority status if their rights are respected and they have some representation.  But if there is too much acrimony or the majority is seen as illegitimate, then you need to put security first, and that involves curtailing people's freedoms.  It's actually kind of rare to have a country with enough homogeneousness to function with full minority rights and full liberty.  

Even countries like Spain and Ireland have had trouble achieving this.  

by BooMan on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 10:44:27 AM EST
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