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A Visceral Reaction to Berlin | 32 comments (32 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Excellent Analysis (none / 1)

Why does the US have to lead??? It would be great and enough if it would cooperate with the rest of the world.

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by Fran on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:39:08 PM EST
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Re: Excellent Analysis (none / 1)

I don't necessarily think they want us to lead. Right now I think the Europeans would be happy with an alliance around common causes as opposed to the arrogance and the obstinate attitude which has been thrown in their faces for the last eight years. They have been belittled, ridiculed and scorned by the representative leadership of this country for eight years. Just the possibility of having us back in the world game as an ally has to be considered good news to them.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:53:08 PM EST
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Re: Excellent Analysis (4.00 / 2)

Oh, I agree, but it is the US and at times Obama that talks about restoring being the leader of the world again.

I would say getting rid of Bush is a good thing, but many people here are very unsure about Obama, what does he stand for, are his words worth anything, can he be trusted. I do not think it will be enough for Obama being elected to restore the faith of the rest of the world in the US. it is definitely not enough for me.

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by Fran on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:57:23 PM EST
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Re: Excellent Analysis (4.00 / 2)

I do not think it will be enough for Obama being elected to restore the faith of the rest of the world in the US. it is definitely not enough for me.

Who could blame anyone for feeling this way? I certainly don't.

The sins of this country, especially over the last eight years and even up to this day, certainly cannot be washed away through a singular act like electing a new President. We as a country will be doing penance for years to come to win once again the faith of the world.

Trust? Hell, if I don't trust this country right now(and I'm not sure I do), how can I expect anyone else in the world to trust it? I have told my long-suffering wife many times that I'll be long dead and gone before we shake the last disgusting vestiges of what has been wrought in our name by this administration and all their enablers, both Democrats and Republicans. A sad, sad legacy for this country right now.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:10:47 PM EST
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Re: Excellent Analysis (4.00 / 2)

Der Spiegel The World President To-Be

Anyone who saw Barack Obama at Berlin's Siegessäule on Thursday could recognize that this man will become the 44th president of the United States. He is more than ambitious -- he wants to lay claim to become the president of the world.
[.]Anyone who saw him make the short way from the Victory Column in Berlin on Thursday to the podium saw a man with the serious gait of a basketball player, a man who seemed young, decisive and focused. For those who witnessed his appearance in Berlin, it is hard to imagine that John McCain still has any chance. McCain is 25 years his senior, a man who because of the torture he endured in Vietnam is in constant pain -- unable to comb his hair or lift his arm in celebration.
Europe is witnessing the 44th president of the United States during this trip. Anyone who listens to him quickly realizes that he is not only ambitious but will also make demands. In the inner circles of Angela Merkel's Chancellery, he is reportedly seen as a pleasant person, one who arouses curiosity.
However, he is also certain to demand the help of the Germans, Brits and French in Afghanistan and Iraq. He's not going to allow NATO to shirk its duty -- and that is where the perils of the engaging "we" and the catchy "Yes, we can" lie. Otherwise all these hard-nosed Europeans will hope and pray that the future President Obama isn't really all that serious about the saving the world of tomorrow, the polar caps, Darfur and the poppy harvest over in Afghanistan.[.]

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:23:51 PM EST
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Historic Reality (none / 1)

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Not only the genocide in the 20th century through communism and facsism and the two world wars. look at the most recent example of failure by the world community: the Balkan Wars, Rwanda and Darfur genocides in Africa. Because America took the lead in military action after the Serb massacre in Screbrenica, this led to the Dayton accords. The EU manifests itself in perpetual discussions and policy disagreements. Don't expect any recourse on the issue of human rights from Russia, India, China or Japan. Europeans are leading in theoretical science and politics, when ideas need to be transformed to end products, there is still one nation that performs.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:05:26 PM EST
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Re: Historic Reality (4.00 / 2)

This might be true, but currently the US is not an example for human rights and so far I can not remember Obama saying anything about gitmo, or turning back all the laws concerning human rights of foreigners or even US citizens in the US. Until they lead by example I am not willing to follow.

Read the European view on European Tribune

by Fran on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:12:22 PM EST
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