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What Obama Can Do | 32 comments (32 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: What Obama Can Do (none / 0)

The most unfortunate thing about this is that not only is it unprincipled, but it's stupid politics. I'd honestly be more okay with such a blatant assault on fundamental rights if it was actually for political gain, but it's not. It's going to put a lot of states back into McCain's column just because Obama flip-flopping and fighting tooth and nail against his base to align himself with George W. Bush is going to alienate a lot of the independents and Republicans he worked so hard to bring over. They're not going to vote for McCain, but they might just stay home, and in a swing state, that's just as bad.

I mean, fuck, if you're going to be an opportunistic unprincipled power-monger, at least have the brains to damn well do it right.

Also: screw sponsoring candidates. At this point, the netroots need to start running some of our own for office. Start getting some bloggers into the halls of power, then we'll see some fires lit.

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?

by Egarwaen on Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 at 10:18:59 PM EST

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Don't think we aren't making progress even as we're about to take a GIANT step backwards.

Take a look at Mark Begich, for example.

by BooMan on Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 at 10:23:42 PM EST
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I'm being pessimistic today, because we're seeing the same shit all around the world at basically the same time. The European Parliament's slipping some passages into an otherwise unexceptional telecommunications bill that would require ISPs to go out of their way to meet the demands of content companies, even going so far as to block legitimate content and uses if there's a risk of those technologies enabling piracy. Of course, the real use for that power will be to shut down emerging competitors in the digital space.

Canada's got the super-DMCA, which Harper's government is trying to cram through with exactly the same legislative shenanigans. (Though they may have made a major strategic error, it's still outrageous.) Then there's ACTA... And FISA...

I guess one of the things that pisses me off so much about this is how tone-deaf it is to the sensibilities of the Internet age. I think you and Steven have both written about it, but it seems that the root of the problem here is a drastic miscalculation about how much the up-and-coming generations care about these issues. Obama's flip-flop - and the actions of the Democratic leadership - are a blatant, unprincipled power grab... But they're so tone-deaf that they've totally messed up and shot themselves in the foot. Even leaving aside the principles, I really expected better political strategy from Obama. If you're going to sell out, at least make sure you're getting something worthwhile in return!

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?

by Egarwaen on Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 at 11:08:41 PM EST
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As I said in another thread, he's not pandering to the public here; he's pandering to the elite. It's a bid for fair media coverage and not getting offed, not directly a bid for votes. So it does, in fact, make sense.

by bento on Fri Jul 4th, 2008 at 02:23:44 AM EST
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But it's pointless. The elite will give him unfair media coverage and do their best to off him no matter what, simply because they know they'll get a better deal under a Republican administration. He cannot win that fight. Even trying to fight that fight is foolish, particularly when he should know better. He won a hard-fought primary with extremely unfair media coverage against a candidate that was the darling of the elites by focusing on what mattered: votes.

If the rest of his campaign's going to be run this badly, say hello to President McCain, because whatever magic mojo Obama had when fighting Clinton... He's lost it.

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?

by Egarwaen on Fri Jul 4th, 2008 at 02:36:27 AM EST
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Re: What Obama Can Do (none / 1)

WELL THEN!

Let's just pack it all up right now. Damn. We really should have listened to people like Egarwaen and avoided this whole mess... you know, with that negro and all. Hillary would have been the best opponent for that old feeble man McCain. Damn! WHAT were we THINKING?

Get a fucking grip on yourself. We've got an election to win. We have four months. Are you THAT determined to lose it? Who's paying you? Seriously.

We ARE the campaign. If we drop everything over a wedge issue, we deserve what we get... President McCain.

by RandyH on Fri Jul 4th, 2008 at 03:17:31 AM EST
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Re: What Obama Can Do (none / 0)

I think a substantial portion of the elite, namely most of Wall Street, could be convinced to support Obama because McCain probably means war with Iran - which would slaughter the market. They aren't always as rational as the econ texts tend to think, but I think a lot of them can see this, and the tax cuts won't make up for a market collapse.

by bento on Fri Jul 4th, 2008 at 06:18:20 AM EST
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Re: What Obama Can Do (none / 0)

Right, but again... Obama's not making that argument. Instead, he's pandering to AIPAC and inching rightward on Iran, backing away from his former position of diplomacy first. He's squandering any advantage he could have gained with the elites with a pro-diplomacy stance.

Even if all this maneuvering is just "moving to the center for the general", it's still very clearly bad politics.

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?

by Egarwaen on Fri Jul 4th, 2008 at 11:25:43 AM EST
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