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Jesse Helms Was a Racist | 22 comments (22 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Jesse Helms Was a Racist (none / 0)

He was a racist, a vile and unrepentent one.

I lived in NC from 1975-1983, so I saw his vileness from the standpoint of a voter.

Plus I saw his supporters. His supporters said they liked him because "you always knew where he stood" and "he was a genuine guy." What they REALLY meant is that they liked him because he was a racist and they were racists too, and it was important that the racists in NC be represented.

NC is not a deep southern state. Some parts of NC are pretty decent. But, not a lot. Must of the state is small towns, filled with people for whom racism is just part of life, and they supported Jesse because when he said racist things, it was not unsettling but to them it was just common sense.

by dataguy on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 02:27:27 PM EST

Re: Jesse Helms Was a Racist (none / 0)

Things are changing fast, even in North Carolina. Even in Virginia. Even in Mississippi.

by BooMan on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 02:30:44 PM EST
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Re: Jesse Helms Was a Racist (none / 0)

It's due to universities and high-tech communities. I lived in (SURPRISE) Chapel Hill. Of all my professors (10-14), 1 was from NC, and the rest were Jews from New York or California. The reason I note about the jews is because 1) there are no jews in NC outside of Charlotte and Chapel Hill and Raleigh and 2) the guy who founded my lab was a notorious anti-semite who left Chicago partially due to jews there. We grad students used to find this quite amusing, and considered that he would probably be appalled by the lab when I went there.

Virginia is changing due to Washington. Federal workers bring the north into the south, and that is a good thing.

Mississippi I cannot account for.

I think that FL is gonna surprise a LOT of people this election. One reason: Felon re-enfranchisment. This was changed by Crist (one reason I respect this guy a little) who made it much easier for felons to regain the franchise. Possibly 1 million people will vote this year who did not vote in 2004.

by dataguy on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 02:36:06 PM EST
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Re: Jesse Helms Was a Racist (none / 0)

The bluing of NC, etc. will have to come through the cities and tourist destinations that require tolerance and give locals opportunity to buck racist common wisdom for their own experience. This is why I do hold out hope for NC and VA which have plenty of both. Mississippi is another country all-together. Unless A LOT has changed there recently, I wouldn't hold out too much hope. "It's about suppression".

'vini, vidi, excreti' - Joe the Plumber

by anarchronarchist (mincers (-at-) hotmail (-dot-) com) on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 02:40:42 PM EST
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Re: Jesse Helms Was a Racist (none / 0)

Remember, that Obama only needs approximately 20% of the white vote to carry Mississippi. Unfortunately, that is six or seven percent more than Kerry could muster. But Kerry was pre-Katrina, pre-Bush's second term. And Kerry didn't campaign or invest any money in Mississippi.

by BooMan on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 02:47:36 PM EST
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Re: Jesse Helms Was a Racist (none / 0)

They'll just find a way to use the racist institutions of the state to manipulate the outcome, as usual. From Sherrifs to judges, there is no need to give the marching orders, just an understand of what 'needs to be done'.

'vini, vidi, excreti' - Joe the Plumber

by anarchronarchist (mincers (-at-) hotmail (-dot-) com) on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 03:39:17 PM EST
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Re: Jesse Helms Was a Racist (none / 0)

I'll grant you NC and VA, but they're not changing very quickly in Mississippi. We're hoping to get 20% of the white vote, compared with 15% four years ago, and to enjoy a huge jump in turnout from black folks.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 02:53:16 PM EST
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Re: Jesse Helms Was a Racist (none / 0)

True.

But John Kerry isn't black. Mississippi remains extremely culturally conservative, which is as much or more of an obstacle to winning the state than Obama's race. In fact, Obama's race is what makes the state competitive.

by BooMan on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 02:58:41 PM EST
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Re: Jesse Helms Was a Racist (none / 0)

Agreed. And I actually think Obama will be slightly more appealing to whites in Mississippi than Kerry was because of his stronger cultural connections, despite being a little more liberal than Kerry. I just mean that we're not seeing the kind of change-on-warp-speed there that we're seeing in the more developed parts of the region.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 03:02:35 PM EST
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Re: Jesse Helms Was a Racist (none / 0)

...adding, I think Virginia is far enough along in its liberalization for us to win it this year. I'm less sure about North Carolina and Georgia.

Ask me eight years from now, when the Millennials are nearly all eligible to vote (assuming the trends we see with them continue), and I think Mississippi will be where North Carolina -- maybe even Virginia -- is now, but with a larger black population.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 03:07:12 PM EST
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Re: Jesse Helms Was a Racist (none / 0)

His supporters said they liked him because "you always knew where he stood" and "he was a genuine guy."

This smiling Wisconsin b*tch said the same thing about hater Glenn Beck recently--about how much she liked him because he was a fire breather and because he really told it like it was.

I just looked at her. Both of us were at a goodbye party for retiring college employees. Suddenly she realized just exactly what she was saying in front of someone who knew what he was and what she was by listening to him.

When she figured that out, without my having said anything else, she looked very uncomfortable. She bowed her head. And got up and left with her co-worker who just happened to be black, but who seemed to possess less consciousness than I did about the conversation that just took place.

I hope she stays uncomfortable.

An untypical Negro

by blksista (gab1954@gmail.com) on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 03:30:00 PM EST
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People should be VERY ashamed of (none / 0)

saying such crap in front of people.

It's nauseating.

I think that the AUTHENTICITY TEST is the least valuable and stupidest test around for value. I don't give a FLYING FUCK that Adolf Hitler was a genuine anti-semite and Jew hater. His authenticity is not the point. The point is that, whether fake or true, he hated jews and acted on that.

Why is authenticity such a good thing?

by dataguy on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 03:47:47 PM EST
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Re: People should be VERY ashamed of (4.00 / 1)

True, but I prefer my racists out in the open. I am glad that people who think that b.s. do say it. The worst of the bunch are the people who think it, or only say it in front of people they 'think' are on the same level.

My little brother is black, I am not. I can't keep track of how many times people have said things to me that are racist that they would never say in front of my little bro (Helps that he is HUGE, and would break them into tiny little pieces).

"Some men see things as they are and say why - I dream things that never were and say why not." George Bernard Shaw.

by benjamink on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 03:55:14 PM EST
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