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I Am a Strange Loop
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I Am America (and So Can You!)
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Salunga, I mean no disrespect to you, but you are merely regurgitating what has become by means of incessant repetition the received mythology about Iraq. With all respect you, along with the talking heads, and "experts" like Biden, don't know anything about Iraq's social and demographic history or its political history either pre or post-statehood and you are simply not qualified to make pronouncements such as the one above.

The fact that the area that comprises Iraq was once three Ottoman wilayat ("regions" or "governates") is meaningful only in understanding the Ottoman system of organizing its empire. It is not at all useful in understanding the demography, social structure, or the social or political interactions of the people who lived in those three wilayat. Nor is it useful in knowing abouyt their movement and migration from one wilaya to another. Unlike the impression you and most other Americans - including a gaggle of self-important talking heads and self-appointed "experts" seem to have, these were not three separate countries with three separate and distinct populations and strict geographical boundaries. Not at all. They were nothing more than administrative divisions devised by the Ottomans mainly for the purpose of tax collection, and irrespective of the populations involved. They were far less distinct as entities than the states of the United States, and far, far less important to the population.  For example, people did not identify as being "from" one wilaya or another. People from the different wilayat traveled and migrated from one wilaya to another, intermixed, did business together, intermarried without any thought about it. And tribes certainly did not "belong" to one wilaya or another, but gave no regard to such boundaries (and while we are on the subject, are you aware that most Arab tribes in Iraq are not either Sunni or Shi`a, but contain members from both sects?).

As for the composition of the populations, the wilayat were in no way determined on any sort of ethnic or sectarian basis, and their populations were in no way distinct from one another ethnically or religiously. Nor did they "detest each other" as the myth goes. On the contrary.

As for the notion that the Sunnis "want out", or that even all the Kurds "want out", that is utter nonsense. The overwhelming majority of Iraqis across all ethnic and religious groups do not "want out". In fact, the majority do not even want a federal state. What the overwhelming majority of Iraqis want is for  Iraq to remain one unified country with a strong central government. What the overwhelming majority do NOT want is 1) a sectarian state, 2) a divided state, 3) three states out of one. Unfortunately, they have not, so far, been given the right to decide these things for themselves, so all they can do is uselessly express their opinions when asked.

This whole notion of dividing Iraq into three parts is first of all an American construct based on a combination of hubris and ignorance, and second a goal held by a minority of Iraqi politicians who, oddly enough, have been boosted to power and are propped up by the American occupation. Interestingly, make-believe prime minister, Maliki, who was chosen by the Americans (and if you have forgotten that episode, I can fill you in), and his cabinet, who had to be approved by the Americans, are among the minority who are collaborationists and separatists. On the other hand, the parliament, the only body which was even remotely chosen by the Iraqi people, contains a majority of "nationalists" who oppose collaboration with the Americans, and also oppose separation.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Aug 17th, 2008 at 10:55:22 PM EST
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  Thanks for your in depth reply. I agree I am no expert in Iraqi history. But given a free and fair election you will look me in the eye and say the Kurds do not want a federation (Biden) or outright independence from Iraq? I think they would. The only thing that stops them is the occupier (US) under pressure from Turkey.
  The majority of Iragis would vote to keep the country together ahh but the majority are Shiites who given the chance vote as a block along religious lines taking their queue not from Maliki the American puppet but from Sistani and Sadr. They would like to control the oil profits of all Iraq since they received crumbs from the Sunni controlled and vicious Saddam government.
   I don't think it is a good idea to divide a country along religious lines. But Biden was only looking give the Iraqis what he thought they wanted which was a federation. It did not have to be permanent. He wanted to stop the killing.
   Iraq will settle these questions on its own. We are going to end the illegal occupation and go home. Let us watch and see how unified the country stays and will the unity be at the point of a religious sword.

Again it is the Iraqi's decision. Let us ask the Kurds first.

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics;" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

by Salunga on Sun Aug 17th, 2008 at 11:49:46 PM EST
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Salunga, I don't have time right now to respond to each of your points. However, it appears that one of the errors you are making is conflating the desires and views of Iraqi people with the goals of a minority of Iraqi political figures. I will try to elaborate on that later if I have the time and am not too sleepy.

A couple of specifics: Sadr is an avid anti-collaborationist anti-separatist. He is generally called a "nationalist", which is not wrong, but does not fully express his position. He has been one of the strongest forces for maintaining Iraq as a unified state. In that regard he has reached out repeatedly for unity to various Sunni groups.

"   I don't think it is a good idea to divide a country along religious lines."

One of the points missed utterly by most Americans, including Biden, is that you CAN'T divide Iraq along religious lines, although the sectarian and ethnic cleansing so nicely enabled by the Americans has made that a little less impossible than it was. Iraqis have NEVER been divided from one another along religious lines, and are still too intertwined by affiliation, intermarriage, etc. to make that doable without creating an even worse upheaval than we have seen so far.

"But Biden was only looking give the Iraqis what he thought they wanted which was a federation."

If Biden thought that was what Iraqis wanted, then he is even more abysmally ignorant and hubristic than I thought, and he must have carefully ignored all the polls and other indexes that show the exact opposite.

"It did not have to be permanent."

Once done it would have been virtually impossible to undo.

"He wanted to stop the killing."

Again, not a point in Biden's favour, but rather yet another indication of his ignorance and hubris. Trying to divide Iraqis along sectarian lines would not have stopped the killing, as many Iraqis and others who were actually paying attention, and who knew something about Iraq past and present warned.

"Iraq will settle these questions on its own."

The longer the U.S. stays and mucks things up, or keeps its fingers in the pot stirring, the harder that will be.

"We are going to end the illegal occupation and go home."

No you're not. Not in the foreseeable future. In case you haven't been paying attention, Obama does not intend to do more than reconfigure the occupation and keep it going indefinitely in its "new" form. As for McCain - got help the Iraqis and the world if he is elected, which is what I am increasingly convinced will happen. And if it DOES happen, screw the Americans for being stupid enough to elect him.

"Let us watch and see how unified the country stays and will the unity be at the point of a religious sword."

During more than 80 years as a secular, and unusually pluralistic state for the region, Iraq was very unified and Iraqis were known throughout the Arab world for their strong nationalism. They did not need a "religious sword" (which by the way sounds like yet another Muslim stereotype - I hope you didn't mean it that way) to hold them together. And even now they do not want the separation that has been forced on them by the American occupiers and their Iraqi proxies.

"Again it is the Iraqi's decision."

Really? It has not been their decision for the last five and half years. On the contrary, they have not been consulted at all, and their views and desires have been utterly ignored. When is it going to finally become their decision.

"Let us ask the Kurds first."

Why as the Kurds first? You want to give the most weight and the most say to a relatively small minority who are living under two brutal, corrupt warlords who arrest anyone who expresses a dissenting view, or even so much as displays an Iraqi flag (yes, Kurds living under the two mafiosi warlords have been put in prison for carrying or displaying the Iraqi flag, as recently happened to some Kurds when they were celebrating Iraq's victory in the Asia Cup)? So, just how free do you think people living in Kurdistan are to express their views?

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 12:33:13 AM EST
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PS Something I meant to mention before about this myth of the three wilayat that were grouped together to create the modern-day state of Iraq. Those wilayat were not created by the people of the region based on any sort of natural demographic, social, or geographic criteria, but by the ruling empire for its own administrative purposes. In other words, they were artificial divisions created by an outside power, not natural boundaries that grew out of natural divisions, or by any kind of decision on the part of the inhabitants. As I have said, their importance to the people who lived in Iraq (and that IS one of the names the region was known by) is enormously exaggerated by those who wish to promote the notion that Iraq is an artificial, inherently non-viable entity.
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 12:39:34 AM EST
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   You win. I never supported the war and through ignorance hoped the Biden plan was a way out. I do agree the current divisions were not in place before the US attack.
   Biden will still make a good attack dog something Obama needs. McCain is worse far worse. We are broke and our empire will recede no matter who wins this election. So take heart. Have a good day.


"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics;" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by Salunga on Mon Aug 18th, 2008 at 08:11:11 AM EST
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