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My Thoughts on Hillary | 29 comments (29 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: My Thoughts on Hillary (4.00 / 2)

Hillary is still the lying, back-stabbing individual she was during the campaign. She's the guy who stood by her husband when he least deserved it, when she had every right to say frankly, I'm disgusted at his childish behavior. And she ran her campaign incredibly poorly. She proved herself to be anything but a leader even with her own staff. It doesn't matter what she does or doesn't do with Bill. I would never vote for her, period. I don't trust that she'd do a good job, period.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 10:46:28 AM EST

Re: My Thoughts on Hillary (none / 0)

"I would never vote for her, period. I don't trust that she'd do a good job, period.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So Lisa, Obama loses and it's Hillary vs McCain (2nd term!) in 2012. You're pulling the lever for McCain? Sitting out? What?

by steve duncan on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 10:49:51 AM EST
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Re: My Thoughts on Hillary (none / 0)

I might actually make good on my promise to myself to leave the country. My boys will be getting close to draft age during McCain's tenure.

by RollaMO on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 11:33:10 AM EST
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Re: My Thoughts on Hillary (none / 0)

I don't pretend to speak for Lisa, Steve, but I basically share her opinion.

My quick .02 (gotta go work): this seems like a pretty far-flung hypothetical, at this point, to weigh against as strong a conviction against Hillary as we now have.

Given a first term & also having done a bad job -- while considering that God's Own Party may be even farther in disarray than it is now, & with the national economy even further into the shitter, I don't believe it's a given that McSame would actually seek a second term.

(Note my side-stepping around the age issue. St. Ronnie was the rarest of political animals; a pig's ear like McSame wouldn't be so easily gilded.)

So, imho, you're basically asking about Hillary vs the generic Republican. Again, given personal conviction as to how far Hillary actually is from a GOP candidate who's likely to have moved center-wise, I don't see an easy call.

Very personally, I still plan to be living in New York State & believe we'll stay sufficiently blue for me to be able to sit it out quite comfortably, if it comes to that.

by wilderness wench on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 11:54:41 AM EST
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Re: My Thoughts on Hillary (none / 0)

Yes wilderness, it is unlikely new wars with various nations would actually spill over onto U.S. soil. I suppose that constitutes "sit it out quite comfortably" if "comfortably" means you're not personally getting shot at or dodging mortar fire. Then again all our comfort levels may be a bit compromised once the accountants finally demand military expenditures be considered part of the budget. Roads, schools, the FDA, CDC, your local police and fire departments and a slew of other agencies just might have to suffer even more so that the Republican succeeding McCain can nurture his xenophobic base.

by steve duncan on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 12:13:57 PM EST
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Re: My Thoughts on Hillary (4.00 / 3)

The sad thing is that electing a President now means everything and control of Congress means nothing. But that is what the lesson of 2006 has shown us: The Imperial President is all that matters. Bush got his way on every major policy dispute despite control of the House and Senate by Democrats.

It's as if we elect a Caesar every 4 years from a small list of possibilities that the elites have chosen for us.

Until Congress takes back the authority and power that it frittered away, that is how the situation will remain.

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt

by Steven D on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 12:19:18 PM EST
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Not even close (none / 1)

One more SCOTUS and this country won't be recognizeable.

Michaela

by michaelmt (MrMichael_t@yahoo.com) on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 12:15:59 PM EST
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Re: My Thoughts on Hillary (none / 0)

Don't make me go there and list how the Clinton's failures enabled the "successes" of the Bush administration for the rich and war-hungry.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 12:31:26 PM EST
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